The 737-200ADV Expansion model has been released. Details and screenshots

i have to say i wasnt expecting this. way to go CS!!!  I have several cs products but this has by far been my favorite of all them. i cant wait for the 737F

So,I just bought this for 9.99 euros,does that mean I still have a 10 euro discount on Version 1 when it is released?
Ron

rservice wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 10:40pm:



Yes you will

gandy wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

+1

I thought the 737-200 ADV had a different A/P than the 737-100/200. Didn't it come with a Sperry 177 and not the Sperry 77?

Also. What are the main differences with the advanced over the 737-200? I can't see any...Yet! It is supposed to carry more fuel for a longer range and a larger payload (12,000+) but I'm not seeing this in the current 737-200ADV v1.0.

Mark

I don't find it interesting enough, sorry 

I agree with the above.  I bought it because the 200 advanced was what I wanted from the get go (sorry, but the skinny pylons are hideous).  Is it overpriced? Definitely.  Is it worth it? To me yes, because I wanted the advanced model, though the price would have been easier to swallow if they had at least added the 177.  It can't be that difficult or expensive, bit of remodeling in the VC and some minor coding (or repurposeing of code from the 757/767) could have gotten a 177 into the plane.  Oh, well this plane has been a trial of sorts for CS, they may yet include it later.

I fully understand that the 177 was a later factory option and not original equipment. I was simply saying that the difference between a 200 and 200adv is so minuscule that adding the 177 would have made the $13 more worth it.  That and CS has competition that has already stated will include a more advanced FCU.

Not complaining, I knew what I was getting.  Just would have been more worth the money had they added a bit more to the advanced package.

Features of the “Advanced 737”:
   New High-lift system
     Extended-span inboard Krueger flaps;
     Wide nacelle strut;
     Smooth fixed leading edge;
     Slat positioning;
     Trailing-edge flap seals.

   Improved Stopping:
     New metering pin for smoother landing;
     Auto brake system;
     Advanced anti-skid system;
     Nose wheel brakes available.

   Improved engines:
     JT8D-15 with 15,500 lbs., later -17 (17k) became an option.

   New “wide wide body” interior.
   Gross weight increase: 5,000 lbs., or more.
   Development started in 1969, with certification 1971

SP 177 autoflight system became available late 1970’s as an option, while SP 77 remained available until at least 1985. The -177 offered many advantages including altitude capture, up to autoland capability.

When a customer orders a Boeing, an id is assigned. For example, Southwest (USA) is “H4”; all of their aircraft will be listed as 737-2H4 as a -200, -3H4 if a -300, etc.  Original United Airlines is “22”, or 737-222, -322, -522. But these two examples will have a different “standard” which will likely be different than a Boeing base standard. A customer can order many, many specifics: Logo lights; different gross weights; engine; SP-77 vs. -177 and so on. The thought is to have a standardized flightdeck for the crew and operation  –all airplanes for that operator are the same. However, some airlines will short-term lease, or acquire aircraft from multiple operators, making it a more difficult and eliminating what is “standard”.

Perhaps it has been stated somewhere elsewhere which specific 737 this model represents. While many features and system operations carry between the variants, there are differences, too. When making a statement of “standard”, or “incorrect” the author should be cautious due to operator changes.

Also, all 737-100 to 500 are considered as “classic” models; -600 to -900 are “NG”, or Next-Generation.

Sean

Mark,

Regarding the modeled aircraft, you are probably correct: Whatever manuals they could get.

From a user standpoint the -177 has definite advantages…the altitude capture alone is nice. But you could also do some nice things with CMD position selected.

With appropriate paddle in CMD position:

 -By de-selecting the pitch mode, you now have CWS available, but with the protection of altitude capture and remaining in a lateral mode, if selected. This is a great feature when climbing, or descending. On some units LVL CHG would cause the pitch to chase the IAS, or be abrupt when selected.

 -When using heading/nav mode, you can also de-select giving CWS roll, while maintaining a desired vertical mode –LVL CHG; VS; ALT HOLD. This feature is particularly nice maneuvering around weather, or intercepting a localizer, for example.

The system was also much more adept with autothrottles than the -77. In fact, very few airplanes I ever saw had a/t when SP 77 equipped, but it was available.

“Flying” the -77 keeps you more honest. Once the -177 was incorporated, then it would a VLF next, or like some have requested, an FMC.

Sean

Delta acquired Western Airlines and the 737-247; I would be very surprised if these did not have the SP-77 installed. Did DL convert these aircraft to -177 AFCS? I can’t say for sure.

How accurate do you want?

For CS to change their model to the DL standard, more is involved:

     In addition to the SP-177, autothrottles should be installed;
     Strobe and/or Logo light added;
     VLF/Omega added;
     PDCS control head relocated to upper left side of throttle quadrant;
     Current ALT alerter removed –in MCP of 177;
     Change RMI heads;
     Update fire warning panel;
     Fuel totalizer removed;
     Nav/Com and radio selectors would need to be changed;
     Transponder head relocated;
     Different WX radar;
     Engine performance would have to replicate the -15, or -17.

Once cabin view is available, which galley and seat layout is desired?

And this is just the surface stuff of which I am aware.

Can you imagine the complexity in trying to model every variation and at a price point not bringing (more) negative comment? Does the competition offer a better overall model, at a lower cost?

Sean


     

@Captain Sim,

The outboard slats on the 200adv don't seem to extend enough in your model.

Thank you, i love every bit of history 

I hope the SP177 will be included in the ADV, 10 Euros is a lot of money for a model that's 99% similar to the vanilla -200 and includes only 2 official liveries.

BTW has anyone noticed the Garmin GPS placard in the VC? I don't think Captainsim would've put it there if they weren't planning any RNAV capability in the future as the current 737-200 clearly doesn't have a GPS. Of course they'll need a SP177 and a HSI source switch (aka the Killer switch) if there is RNAV.

Thank you all for the comments,
The SP177 will not be included into the 737 Original family.
As an expansion option? (for some extra $ as it is a huge job by the way). May be one day.