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Re: Advice where to go to learn how to fly a 200
Reply #15 - Mar 22nd, 2012 at 8:24am
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I guess you can't win in the flight simulator or game quandry.The noobies want a jump in and "fly" aircraft,the FMS trained want an FMS installed,and the hard core simmers want authenticity and the dummies don't know their a** from their elbow,and you still have to try and sell into this market. Sad Cheesy Wink Roll Eyes.
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Re: Advice where to go to learn how to fly a 200
Reply #16 - Oct 29th, 2013 at 9:49am
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f you're clueless on how to fly and NAVIGATE a plane without FMS you should go back to the basis before flying this baby. Jump into the Default Baron Cockpit and start learning radio navigation:

(You have VORs/DMEs and NDBs at your disposal and can do alot with them. Get some enroute charts (for Europe you can get them for free via Eurocontrol) and start familiarizing with basic radio navigation. Try navigation from and to VORs, then start flying and intercepting VOR radials, fly towards NDBs, use two VORs or a combination of VOR and NDB to navigate towards FIXES or determine your position. This is basic IFR navigation every pilot has to learn and will learn on smaller birds before transitioning towards bigger equipment.)
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for me it's undertstood.but the quetion is what about the points wish not emmeter as VOR and NDB how can folow theos points determined but geographic cordonation.
  
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Re: Advice where to go to learn how to fly a 200
Reply #17 - Oct 29th, 2013 at 9:38pm
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I learned Radio Nav on FS2004 in the "lessons" sections. Very clear and easy to understand lessons on radio nav there.
I spend the majority of my time doing VOR-VOR and NDB Navigation. Much more entertaining than imputing data into a FMS and pushing a couple buttons.
  
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Re: Advice where to go to learn how to fly a 200
Reply #18 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 5:53am
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My problem isn't the radio navigation, it's the other navigation gizmos in the -100 and -200 that look daunting. I looked at the manual, but my confidence level was lower than the perceived instructional value and I have backed away from this airplane. So VOR etc. I get. What's up with those other things? It's not the Omega Nav System, is it? I used to know how the 707 works, but have totally forgotten that stuff. It was another one with a unique and unusual nav system.
  

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Re: Advice where to go to learn how to fly a 200
Reply #19 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 4:35pm
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I sometime cheat (like today), by using the GPS nav. It's really easy, and I used it when doing a test of the 737-200F in FSX in Windows 8.1.
The autopilot was fine and GPS allowed me to increase the Sim Rate on a 1500nm flight! Embarrassed
  

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Re: Advice where to go to learn how to fly a 200
Reply #20 - Dec 19th, 2013 at 10:18pm
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You used time compression? You had better explain yourself, Mister! We're better than that here!  Grin
  

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Re: Advice where to go to learn how to fly a 200
Reply #21 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 1:17am
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Yeah. I did. Sad
I still had a lot of Captain Sim products to install (including offline activations), which can take some time. I don't like installing when FSX is in use either. Then. I had to do some more tests. I have finished installing/activating them all, but I still have a lot to test. My worst problem is that I hate not finishing a flight, and with the 737-200F, I decided on a long (near maximum range) flight, so time compression became an order of the day.

Also. The flight across Australia, would require some dead reckoning over central Australia. There are very few navigation aids in the Red Centre, so there a lot of dead spaces there! I don't know if it's like that in real life, but it sure is in FSX. Undecided
  

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Re: Advice where to go to learn how to fly a 200
Reply #22 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 2:30am
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I can tell you are tortured by this memory, citizen. I'm not going to say it was right, but it was understandable. Hey, do you have FS Altitude for Australia? It is AMAZING over the dry lakes. You would never see that with any other kind of scenery. I was lucky to get a review copy, cause' they're $79 a pop, but I recently bought Eastern US I like it so well.
  

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Basic Radio Navigation
Reply #23 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:12am
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You need two bits of information for the basic radio nav. First is the frequency for the navaid, usually a VOR. Then you need the course to that navaid in your flight plan. So enter that the frequency in your nav radio's frequency window, and needles should come alive, and Distance Measuring Equipment (DME) will show numbers -- the distance you are away.

If you happen to be on the right course, great! Just switch your autopilot to VOR and watch the wonder of it all. If your needle is significantly broken (you'll know what I mean) you should use HDG to try to split the difference between your direction and travel, and your desired course. Your reward will be the broken needle slowly starting to move to close the gap. Just before the needle is whole, use your heading to line up with everything coming together beautifully. Then switch over to VOR and you're good, until the next VOR.

I always use HDG to get lined up perfectly before asking the AP to fly by VOR. I will often use HDG to sort of manually follow the course by VOR, especially if it is snaking back and forth, "seeking."

HDG will come in handy when you reach the VOR, because when you get real close, the VOR isn't very useful to navigate by, and when you pass over it, it will flip all the way around to the opposite direction! So what you'll want to do is 10 nm out or switch over to HDG to again, but leave it on the course for now. At 5 nm switch over to the new VOR's frequency and course -- all the while flying your original course by HDG. Taking into account your airplane is going to have to have some room to turn toward the new VOR's course, set HDG on your new course. With a lot of luck, you will execute this perfectly, and be right on your unbroken arrow on your new course. More likely, you'll have to mess around a bit to get back settled on your new course.

The most common mistake, or perhaps I should say, the hardest thing to avoid, is over-flying your VOR. So try to give yourself plenty of room.

And that's really all there is to it. This is just the way I learned to do it, way back when LAGO was around.

You also have a couple of ADF tuners. The difference is these don't have fancy radials that let you track specific courses, like VORs. Your needle will just point to them. They're still useful, like following a fixed light in the dark. You may not know exactly where you are, but you know where the light is.

You have an RMI below your big impressive gear with knobs and what-not. That's just a little dial with two needles, and 0 to 359 degrees around the edge. The two knobs let you set each side to either VOR or ADF. The easiest thing you can do with them is to set them to point toward an ADF so you know where you are in relation to it. Actually, the easiest is to fly straight toward it, in which case it will point straight up.

Using your RMI and a chart, you can easily pin-point your position  because it gives you another datum. If you're flying a course using a VOR, you know what direction you're going, but not where you are along that radial, right? (Let's imagine there's no DME for a moment.) If there is another VOR off to the side, you can pick a degree number on your RMI, say 090 (pretend you're flying north and the VOR is off to your left.) When the VOR tuned into your RMI is at 090, you're due east. That gives you two points of reference. On your chart, you could use a ruler and draw a dot exactly where you are.

That's really more than you need to know to navigate the 737. But even modern airplanes use the same techniques to make sure they're where they're supposed to be before setting out across the trackless ocean. They will use these kind of tricks to double-check their location and avoid GNEs (Gross Navigational Effors).
  

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Re: Advice where to go to learn how to fly a 200
Reply #24 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:25am
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The only scenery I've bought is FTX AU, FTX NZSI, FTX Global and AS Antarctica X. I have no plans to buy any others, except FTX NZNI (to go with FTX NZSI) at this time. I think that the dry lakes (northern South Australia) in FTX AU Red Central Outback, look pretty from 30,000+ feet. Grin
  

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