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727 + CIVA INS
Dec 9th, 2011 at 12:28am
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I have been using the CIVA INS add-on with the 727 for a while now and just started encountering a problem.  Essentially, after engine start, the "BAT" light illuminates on all three units and all they die shortly thereafter.

Has anyone else encountered this...maybe it's a bug in the CIVA unit?  I suspect it has something to do with switching from the APU to the engine-driven generators.

When starting the engines, I have the APU running with the field and generator breakers closed to supply power.  The bus tie breakers and engine field breakers are closed while the engine generator breakers are open.

After starting the engines, I check that the engine generators are generating power, then close the engine generator breakers one at a time...which trips the APU generator breaker.  I then switch to using the engine 1 generator.

That's pretty much the way the checklist describes it.  Maybe I am doing something wrong, though.
  
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Re: 727 + CIVA INS
Reply #1 - Dec 9th, 2011 at 3:16am
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It sounds like once the APU generator breaker is tripped AND before you switch to GEN #1, the INS loses power completely. Try closing the engine generator breaker for engine one, then switch to GEN #1, before closing the rest of the engine generator breakers.

I don't use the INS in the 727 at the moment. So I can't try this myself to see if it will work.

Mark
  

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Re: 727 + CIVA INS
Reply #2 - Dec 9th, 2011 at 9:59pm
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Mark,

Thanks for the response.  I tried it last night and it seemed to work.  Kind of weird.  If I recall correctly, the electrical system should automatically use standby power so there is no interruption in power.

I will have to run carefully through the steps that verify auto-standby in the checklist to see if maybe I am screwing something up there.  Or, maybe it's just an integration issue with the CIVA unit and switching quickly as you suggested is the work around.

Anyway, thanks again.
  
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Re: 727 + CIVA INS
Reply #3 - Dec 9th, 2011 at 10:55pm
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If it would happen more often, you could cheat with that electrics tweak from Marc. http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1319547655 This should give you endless battery power, so the INS will always be happy.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 11th, 2011 at 6:29am
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I think the reason I did not have trouble before might have something to do with a misconception I had about the breaker switches.  For some reason, I thought you had to lock them in the up position.  If you click on them and move the mouse, they stay in the up position.

So, I used to have all of the bus tie, generator, and field switches locked up along with the field and generator switches for the APU.  I guess that prevents the APU from actually tripping.  (I wonder what that would do to the electrical system in a real 727.)

Anyway, I can't find any reliable way to keep the CIVA units from dying without doing that.

I tried switching to standby power, then connecting the engine generators, then switching to an engine generator for power.  No go.

I already had the ground electric tweak in effect because the avionics used to die during taxi, so that apparently doesn't help.

Oh well.  I finished a 22-leg, around-the-world tour tonight.  I guess I will just fly old-school from now on since I actually have charts for the US and don't really need the CIVA any more.
  
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Reply #5 - Dec 12th, 2011 at 8:13pm
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I have the same issue with the CIVA powering off. I keep my eye on it during the first leg for a battery warning. If I encounter one, I'll quickly toggle 'Shift+M' to clear the battery warning.
  
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Reply #6 - Dec 13th, 2011 at 3:40pm
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I made a flight last night and had the CIVA 'battery' issue and now a severe CIVA navigation problems as well. Restarted FSX and tried the flight again and still had problems. Then I remembered the CIVA config file (CS727 in my case) could be corrupt. I deleted the config file and a new file auto generated after loading my aircraft.

I no longer had my navigation problems and the battery issue also disappeared!
  
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Re: 727 + CIVA INS
Reply #7 - Dec 13th, 2011 at 3:50pm
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Nice tip, Paul. You mean the isd file in the Civa folder?
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 13th, 2011 at 3:59pm
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That's correct, located in the CIVA directory.

In my case, from my panel.cfg, the file in quotes :

gauge36=../civa/INS!Config,            0, 0, 0, 0, CS727 // this gauge initializes the Civa INS gauges, "CS727.Isd"
  
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Reply #9 - Dec 20th, 2011 at 3:22am
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fsxpaul,

Gave your tip a shot to no avail.  Still received the battery lights about a minute after start.

How do you go about starting up?
  
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Reply #10 - Dec 21st, 2011 at 6:08pm
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I was incorrect about the battery issue going away. Deleting the ISD file did correct my CIVA navigation problem though.

My start-up goes as follows (parking brake set):
1. Power-up the CIVA unit.
2. Enter aircraft position coordinates.
3. Load AWC file.
4. Align CIVA (fast align).
5. Load ADC file while aligning CIVA.
6. Switch CIVA to 'Nav' when green light illuminates (accuracy '05' or lower).
7. Change both rotary switches on engineer panel to 'Gen 2'.
8. Toggle the battery main switch twice (Shift+M) This seems to work for me.
9. APU start.
10. Start engines (2, 3 & 1).
11. APU off.

This method has worked for me.
I don't bother with turning on the APU breaker as the engine start-up goes pretty quickly.
I'll do some more testing to try and find a way to use the various breakers.
  
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Reply #11 - Dec 22nd, 2011 at 6:19am
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I did some testing tonight and determined that if you toggle the battery switch twice your CIVA power will not fail.

Powering the aircraft or the CIVA unit first doesn't appear to make a difference...just have to toggle the battery switch!

If you start with running engines then this 'fix' doesn't do anything, only in a cold-n-dark state.

Edit: This doesn't work from a saved cold-n-dark flight. It will work from starting with the default aircraft, shutting down the fuel (Ctrl+Shift+F1) and the battery (Shift+M) then load the 727.
  
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Re: 727 + CIVA INS
Reply #12 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 11:47pm
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great 3d guys.....   Cheesy
could u please tell me how to purchase that add-on?
  

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Reply #13 - Dec 28th, 2011 at 10:13pm
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CIVA INS if freeware.

http://www.simufly.com/ins/
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 2nd, 2012 at 2:12am
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could anyone upload a panel.cfg with civa installed?
Should I put some of the civa folder into the 727 folder?
Sorry, but their instructions are a mess
  

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Reply #15 - Jan 2nd, 2012 at 4:57am
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Just install CIVA INS into FSX (FSX\Civa).

I can't help you with a panel.cfg as I'm not using the INS in the 727.
  

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Re: 727 + CIVA INS
Reply #16 - Jan 2nd, 2012 at 1:43pm
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lucatrader wrote on Jan 2nd, 2012 at 2:12am:
Sorry, but their instructions are a mess

How about those? http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1286031420
It's a link from this thread, which sums up all common mods and tweaks on the 727. http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1319547655

But I have to warn you. The installation of the thing is the easier part of the game, understanding the operation takes way more effort and you will have to read some more to get into it.  Undecided
As you may have guessed, there already is a thread which collects all INS operation topics and questions. So keep that one in mind when looking for answers.  Wink http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1285100008
  
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Re: 727 + CIVA INS
Reply #17 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 3:10am
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Hi:

I would like to ask you if you think if CIVA INS is worth to be installed in a short-medium hauler as B727 is. I'm flying 707 from a long year now, and the 727 more recently. Let me explain my question.

The need of an inertial system arised when crossing long distances over the water with no VOR NDB or whatever radio stations. Although LORAN stations where usefull, AFAIK signal was not allways available. So INS was usefull for the 707 (although a little unaccurate, though risky as veterans may remeber for KAL flights over USSR border).
But...Was it so usefull for a plane overflying the continent full of navaids?

Today we've got restrictions over Europe, and non RNAV certified ac can not fly above FL150, but these restrictions are quite recent (10-12 years) so If a European airline would like to upgrade a B727 Im sure they would get GPS-FMC on board (for those who like extreme ARAIG).

What do you think about this? Perhaps Lou can tell us something.
  

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Re: 727 + CIVA INS
Reply #18 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 8:39am
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I think it's difficult to stick to any rw guidelines while operating in the sim regime. So while rw airlines may upgrade their planes to some FMC for obvious reasons (they don't fly planes for the fun of it), the sim folks don't have to do this and can pick whatever they want to. As long as it works out.

You can run close to the rw, but you don't have to. That's the beauty of the sim. First of all, it's about the fun of it, so you can fly like in the times the 727 was new or you can try to get into modern things and work around some instrument quirks for example.

I doubt that many rw airlines operate a B377, a 707 (few are left) or Concorde these days, but I'm pretty happy to be able to driving those things in the sim, with some not too fancy equipment.

So while I would like to see a well done 727 retrofit with a sort of FMC, I may remind the folks about the loss of enjoyable workload that comes with it. As it shows, that sim fanciness often comes with another loss, the one on the basic 'how does this thing actually work' aspect.
That's a thing happening because the sim allows you to learn backwards, so quite some of us may have flown fancy equipped birds first and then came back to the steamliners, asking how they actually operated.

Each to his own of course, so maybe somebody adds some FMC-like stuff to the sim 727. This would give you VOR / ADF, cheated FSX GPS, the INS and then some fourth option. Freedom of choice. Smiley
  
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Re: 727 + CIVA INS
Reply #19 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 9:50am
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Antonio P wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 3:10am:
Hi:

I would like to ask you if you think if CIVA INS is worth to be installed in a short-medium hauler as B727 is. I'm flying 707 from a long year now, and the 727 more recently. Let me explain my question.

The need of an inertial system arised when crossing long distances over the water with no VOR NDB or whatever radio stations. Although LORAN stations where usefull, AFAIK signal was not allways available. So INS was usefull for the 707 (although a little unaccurate, though risky as veterans may remeber for KAL flights over USSR border).
But...Was it so usefull for a plane overflying the continent full of navaids?

What do you think about this? Perhaps Lou can tell us something.


INS useful if you crossing Australia. huge region around YBAS dont have any beacons. if you planning to use Radio nav only, then you'll have to make a big detours instead of straight route. if you plan strait beacon to beacon route, then you'll get leg lengths about 300 nm between NDB (no VORs there). So you gotta arrive within 60nm of NDB. Add changing winds and you can be badly offcourse, and waste a lot of fuel. IFR and ground control helps. INS very handy in this situation. Same for Africa. Plus, with INS you can go Australia to New Zealand and oceania routes. They not long, but over sea.
I dont use INS on 727, and i fly over desert, and thats hard. im thinking to get one for AU-NZ routes.
  
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Re: 727 + CIVA INS
Reply #20 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 5:17am
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Hey guys i finally got the ins to work everything seems to be ok but when airborn when i enable the Auto pilot it doesnt seem to be working for some reason i cant make the autopilot and the ins work together here is my panal cfg
[Window Titles]
Window00=Simicons
Window01=Animations Control
Window02=Radio Stack
Window03=Autopilot
Window04=Crew Messenger
Window05=GPS
window06=INS Control Display Units
window07=INS MSU + ADEU

[VIEWS]
VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=MAIN_PANEL,RADIO_STACK_PANEL,60,115
VIEW_FORWARD_ZOOM=0.8
VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=1.0,0.0,0.0
VIEW_DOWN_WINDOWS=30,80,115
VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_WINDOWS=33,85,115
VIEW_DOWN_ZOOM=1.0
VIEW_DOWN_DIR=-30.0,0.0,30.0
VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.8
VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_DIR=0.0,0.0,120.0

[Window00]
file=bg.bmp
background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,768
window_size_ratio=1.00   
position=7
visible=1
ident=MAIN_PANEL
render_3d_window=0
window_size= 1.000, 1.000
window_pos= 0.000, 0.000
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.sys!main, 0,0, 2,2
gauge01=Captain_Sim.p721.tools!icons,  0, 570, 64,198
gauge02=../civa/INS!CduPanelIconB,      0, 538,32, 32, 40
gauge03=../civa/INS!AdeuPanelIconB,    32,  538,  32,  32,  41

[Window01]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=367,469
position=0
visible=0
ident=10002
windowsize_ratio=1.00
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.ac200!ac200, 0,0, 367,469

[Window02]
size_mm=349,845
position=8
background_color=25,0,0
visible=0
windowsize_ratio=0.75
ident=RADIO_STACK_PANEL
gauge00=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P10!P10_001_vhf,  0,  0,349,190
gauge01=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P11!P11_001_vhf,  0,190,349,190
gauge02=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P13!P13_001_tcas, 0,380,349,155
gauge03=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P01!P01_001_adf,  0,535,349,155
gauge04=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P07!P07_001_adf,  0,690,349,155

[Window03]
size_mm=480,130
window_pos= 0.300, 0.020
position=2
Background_color=0,0,0
visible=0
ident=10005
gauge00=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap,     0, 0, 427, 106
gauge01=../civa/INS!Config,        0, 0, 0, 0, CS727
gauge02=../civa/INS!CduPanelIconB,    427, 0, 20, 20, 40
gauge03=../civa/INS!AdeuPanelIconB,    427, 20, 20, 20, 41
gauge04=../civa/INS!NavModeDual,    427, 40, 50, 45
//gauge05=Cessna!Nav_GPS_Annunciator,                   447,106,20,19
//gauge06=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch,                          427,106,20,19


[Window04]
background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=349,218
window_size_ratio=0.70   
position=7
visible=0
ident=10007
render_3d_window=0
gauge00=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P15!P15_bg, 0,0, 349,218

[Window05]
size_mm=456,378
window_size=0.5
position=8
background_color=0,0,0
visible=0
ident=GPS_PANEL
gauge00=fs9gps!gps_500,0,0

[Window06]
size_mm=420,221
background_color=0,0,0
window_pos=0.300, 0.160
position=0
visible=0
ident=40
gauge00=../civa/ins!Cdu1,       0,  0, 200, 158
gauge01=../civa/ins!Cdu2,     200,  0, 200, 158
gauge02=../civa/INS!UpdateFlags, 150, 160, 115, 63
gauge03=../civa/INS!CduPanelIconB,    400, 0, 20, 20, 40


[Window07]
size_mm=420,161
background_color=0,0,0
window_pos=0.300, 0.450
position=0
visible=0
ident=41
gauge00=../civa/INS!Msu1,       0,  0, 200, 57
gauge01=../civa/INS!Msu2,     200,  0, 200, 57
gauge02=../civa/INS!Adeu1,     0, 60, 250, 101
gauge03=../civa/INS!Adeu2,     200,60, 200, 81
gauge04=../civa/INS!AdeuPanelIconB,    400, 0, 20, 20, 41

[VCockpit01]
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$FPSP
background_color=0,0,0

gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.general!L_backlight, 25, 230, 200, 20
gauge01=Captain_Sim.p721.L01!L01_machmeter, 24,26, 200,200
gauge02=Captain_Sim.p721.L02!L02_clock, 50, 300, 155, 151
gauge03=Captain_Sim.p721.L03!L03_aplight, 625,749, 55,55
gauge04=Captain_Sim.p721.L04!L04_airspeed, 275, 30, 177, 169
gauge05=Captain_Sim.p721.L05!L05_rmi, 275, 775, 200,200
gauge06=Captain_Sim.p721.L10!L10_altimeter, 275,270, 210,240
gauge07=Captain_Sim.p721.L11!L11_vsi, 20,524, 217,220
gauge08=Captain_Sim.p721.L13!L13_ra, 260,505, 240,240
gauge09=Captain_Sim.p721.L14!L14_ealtimeter, 25, 779, 200, 220
gauge10=Captain_Sim.p721.general!R_backlight, 25, 749, 200, 20
gauge11=Captain_Sim.p721.general!C_backlight, 25, 500, 200, 20
gauge12=Captain_Sim.p721.L07!L07_adi, 505, 29 , 168, 150
gauge13=Captain_Sim.p721.L07!L07_010_slip, 275,225, 200, 47
gauge14=Captain_Sim.p721.L08!L08_hsi, 599, 399, 199, 239
gauge15=Captain_Sim.p721.L09!L09_002_light, 725,649, 133,64
gauge16=Captain_Sim.p721.L09!L09_003_light, 725,724, 133,64
gauge17=Captain_Sim.p721.L09!L09_004_light, 725,799, 133,64
gauge18=Captain_Sim.p721.L09!L09_005_light, 725,874, 133,64
gauge19=Captain_Sim.p721.L09!L09_006_light, 725,949, 80,64
gauge20=Captain_Sim.p721.L09!L09_007_light, 799,949, 80,64
gauge21=Captain_Sim.p721.L09!L09_008_light, 871,649, 136,64
gauge22=Captain_Sim.p721.L09!L09_009_light, 871,724, 136,64
gauge23=Captain_Sim.p721.L09!L09_010_light, 871,799, 136,64
gauge24=Captain_Sim.p721.L09!L09_011_light, 871,874, 136,64
gauge25=Captain_Sim.p721.L09!L09_012_light, 871,949, 136,64
gauge26=Captain_Sim.p721.L09!L09_001_light, 623,924, 92,90
gauge27=Captain_Sim.p721.L15!L15_001_dme,      499,799, 90,30
gauge28=Captain_Sim.p721.L15!L15_002_light, 625,824, 100,45
gauge29=Captain_Sim.p721.L15!L15_003_light, 625,873, 100,45
gauge30=Captain_Sim.p721.L06!L06_001_light, 624,698, 101,46
gauge31=Captain_Sim.p721.L06!L06_002_light, 498,923, 115,81
gauge32=Captain_Sim.p721.L06!L06_003_light, 499,849, 87,57
gauge33=Captain_Sim.p721.L09!L09_013_light, 626,649, 100,45
gauge34=Captain_Sim.p721.L13!L13_001_light, 500,675, 50,50
gauge35=Captain_Sim.p727.sound!main, 0,0, 10,10, Captain_Sim\727\sound.ini
gauge36=../civa/INS!Config,            0, 0, 0, 0, CS727 // this gauge initializes the Civa INS gauges, "CS727.Isd" is the name of the config file in the Civa folder

[VCockpit02]
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$BIsp
background_color=0,0,0

gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_003_fuel, 24, 24, 102,78
gauge01=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_009_fuel, 174,24, 102,78
gauge02=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_015_fuel, 300,24, 102,78
gauge03=Captain_Sim.p721.W09!W09_010_ndl, 0,150, 125,125
gauge04=Captain_Sim.p721.W10!W10_015_ndl, 150,150, 125,125
gauge05=Captain_Sim.p721.W10!W10_017_ndl, 300,150, 125,125
gauge06=Captain_Sim.p721.W10!W10_019_ndl, 0,300, 125,125
gauge07=Captain_Sim.p721.W10!W10_022_ndl, 150,300, 125,125
gauge08=Captain_Sim.p721.W10!W10_021_ndl, 300,300, 125,125
gauge09=Captain_Sim.p721.W02!W02_001_clock, 450,0, 150,150
gauge10=Captain_Sim.p721.W04!W04_001, 625,0, 125,125
gauge11=Captain_Sim.p721.W04!W04_002, 775,0, 125,125
gauge12=Captain_Sim.p721.W04!W04_003, 900,0, 125,125
gauge13=Captain_Sim.p721.W04!W04_004, 625,150, 125,125
gauge14=Captain_Sim.p721.W04!W04_005, 775,150, 125,125
gauge15=Captain_Sim.p721.W04!W04_006, 900,150, 125,125
gauge16=Captain_Sim.p721.W04!W04_007, 625,300, 125,125
gauge17=Captain_Sim.p721.W04!W04_008, 775,300, 125,125
gauge18=Captain_Sim.p721.W04!W04_009, 900,300, 125,125
gauge19=Captain_Sim.p721.U04!U04_004, 450,175, 125,66
gauge20=Captain_Sim.p721.U04!U04_005, 450,325, 125,66
gauge21=Captain_Sim.p721.U01!U01_001_dcv, 375,450, 125,66
gauge22=Captain_Sim.p721.U01!U01_002_dca, 500,450, 125,66
gauge23=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_001, 375,575, 125,66
gauge24=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_010, 500,575, 125,66
gauge25=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_019, 625,575, 125,66
gauge26=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_008, 750,575, 125,66
gauge27=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_017, 0,675, 125,66
gauge28=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_026, 150,675, 125,66
gauge29=Captain_Sim.p721.U05!U05_001_ndl, 625,450, 125,125
gauge30=Captain_Sim.p721.U05!U05_002_ndl, 750,450, 125,125
gauge31=Captain_Sim.p721.U10!U10_005_ndl, 300,700, 94,94
gauge32=Captain_Sim.p721.U10!U10_007_ndl, 400,700, 94,94
gauge33=Captain_Sim.p721.U10!U10_006_ndl, 875,450, 125,125
gauge34=Captain_Sim.p721.U11!U11_004_ndl, 900,750, 125,125
gauge35=Captain_Sim.p721.U11!U11_010_ndl, 0,825, 200,200
gauge36=Captain_Sim.p721.U11!U11_015_ndl, 225,825, 200,200
gauge37=Captain_Sim.p721.U10!U10_004_ndl, 600,725, 71,37
gauge38=Captain_Sim.p721.U10!U10_009_ndl, 525,725, 71,37
gauge39=Captain_Sim.p721.U11!U11_017_ndl, 450,825, 200,200
gauge40=Captain_Sim.p721.U11!U11_012_ndl, 675,825, 200,180
gauge41=Captain_Sim.p721.U11!U11_003_ndl, 675,725, 71,37
gauge42=Captain_Sim.p721.U11!U11_007_ndl, 750,725, 71,37
gauge43=Captain_Sim.p721.U06!U06_002_ndl, 825,725, 71,37
gauge44=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_001_light, 10,458, 96,19
gauge45=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_002_light, 10,492, 96,19
gauge46=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_003_light, 10,524, 96,19
gauge47=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_004_light, 10,557, 96,19
gauge48=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_005_light, 10,594, 96,19
gauge49=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_006_light, 10,626, 96,19
gauge50=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_007_light, 125,458, 96,19
gauge51=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_008_light, 125,492, 96,19
gauge52=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_009_light, 125,524, 96,19
gauge53=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_010_light, 125,557, 96,19
gauge54=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_011_light, 125,594, 96,19
gauge55=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_012_light, 243,458, 96,19
gauge56=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_013_light, 243,492, 96,19
gauge57=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_014_light, 243,524, 96,19
gauge58=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_015_light, 243,557, 96,19
gauge59=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_016_light, 243,594, 96,19
gauge60=Captain_Sim.p721.W07!W07_017_light, 243,626, 96,19
gauge61=Captain_Sim.p721.P603!P603_011_ndl, 750,650, 110,55
gauge62=Captain_Sim.p721.P603!P603_012_ndl, 900,600, 107,106

[VCockpit03]
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$BIlamp
background_color=0,0,0

gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.U02!U02_003_light, 950,0, 90,90
gauge01=Captain_Sim.p721.U02!U02_006_light, 950,75, 90,90
gauge02=Captain_Sim.p721.U02!U02_009_light, 950,150, 90,90
gauge03=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_002_light, 950,300, 90,90
gauge04=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_004_light, 950,525, 90,90
gauge05=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_006_light, 950,750, 90,90
gauge06=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_011_light, 950,375, 90,90
gauge07=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_013_light, 950,600, 90,90
gauge08=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_015_light, 950,825, 90,90
gauge09=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_021_light, 950,450, 90,90
gauge10=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_023_light, 950,675, 90,90
gauge11=Captain_Sim.p721.U03!U03_025_light, 950,900, 90,90
gauge12=Captain_Sim.p721.U04!U04_002_light, 950,225, 90,90
gauge13=Captain_Sim.p721.U04!U04_007_light, 650,0, 90,90
gauge14=Captain_Sim.p721.U04!U04_008_light, 725,0, 90,90
gauge15=Captain_Sim.p721.U05!U05_004_light, 875,75, 90,90
gauge16=Captain_Sim.p721.U06!U06_004_light, 875,150, 90,90
gauge17=Captain_Sim.p721.U07!U07_001_light, 875,225, 90,90
gauge18=Captain_Sim.p721.U07!U07_002_light, 875,300, 90,90
gauge19=Captain_Sim.p721.U07!U07_003_light, 875,375, 90,90
gauge20=Captain_Sim.p721.U08!U08_008_light, 875,450, 90,90
gauge21=Captain_Sim.p721.U08!U08_009_light, 875,525, 90,90
gauge22=Captain_Sim.p721.U09!U09_001_light, 875,600, 90,90
gauge23=Captain_Sim.p721.U09!U09_002_light, 875,675, 90,90
gauge24=Captain_Sim.p721.U09!U09_003_light, 875,750, 90,90
gauge25=Captain_Sim.p721.U09!U09_005_light, 875,825, 90,90
gauge26=Captain_Sim.p721.U10!U10_011_light, 800,75, 90,90
gauge27=Captain_Sim.p721.U10!U10_013_light, 800,150, 90,90
gauge28=Captain_Sim.p721.U10!U10_017_light, 800,225, 90,90
gauge29=Captain_Sim.p721.U10!U10_020_light, 800,300, 90,90
gauge30=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_002_light, 800,375, 90,90
gauge31=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_004_light, 800,450, 90,90
gauge32=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_019_light, 800,525, 90,90
gauge33=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_022_light, 800,600, 90,90
gauge34=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_012_light, 800,675, 90,90
gauge35=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_014_light, 800,750, 90,90
gauge36=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_006_light, 800,825, 90,90
gauge37=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_016_light, 800,900, 90,90
gauge38=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_024_light, 725,900, 90,90
gauge39=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_028_light, 875,900, 90,90
gauge40=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_023_light, 725,75, 90,90 
gauge41=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_029_light, 725,150, 90,90
gauge42=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_034_light, 725,225, 90,90
gauge43=Captain_Sim.p721.W01!W01_033_light, 725,300, 90,90
gauge44=Captain_Sim.p721.W03!W03_001_light, 725,375, 90,90
gauge45=Captain_Sim.p721.W09!W09_002_light, 725,450, 90,90
gauge46=Captain_Sim.p721.W09!W09_004_light, 725,525, 90,90
gauge47=Captain_Sim.p721.W09!W09_006_light, 725,600, 90,90
gauge48=Captain_Sim.p721.W09!W09_001_light, 725,675, 90,90
gauge49=Captain_Sim.p721.W09!W09_003_light, 725,750, 90,90
gauge50=Captain_Sim.p721.W09!W09_005_light, 725,825, 90,90
gauge51=Captain_Sim.p721.W10!W10_002_light, 650,75, 90,90
gauge52=Captain_Sim.p721.W10!W10_004_light, 650,150, 90,90
gauge53=Captain_Sim.p721.W10!W10_016_light, 650,225, 90,90
gauge54=Captain_Sim.p721.W10!W10_010_light, 650,300, 90,90
gauge55=Captain_Sim.p721.W10!W10_012_light, 650,375, 90,90
gauge56=Captain_Sim.p721.W10!W10_013_light, 650,450, 90,90
gauge57=Captain_Sim.p721.W10!W10_014_light, 650,525, 90,90
gauge58=Captain_Sim.p721.W10!W10_020_light, 650,600, 90,90
gauge59=Captain_Sim.p721.U02!U02_016_light, 899,  0, 25,25
gauge60=Captain_Sim.p721.P601!P601_001_light, 0,300, 90,90
gauge61=Captain_Sim.p721.P601!P601_002_light, 75,300, 90,90
gauge62=Captain_Sim.p721.P601!P601_003_light, 150,300, 90,90
gauge63=Captain_Sim.p721.P601!P601_004_light, 225,300, 90,90
gauge64=Captain_Sim.p721.P601!P601_010_light, 0,375, 90,90
gauge65=Captain_Sim.p721.P601!P601_011_light, 75,375, 90,90
gauge66=Captain_Sim.p721.P603!P603_002_light, 0,450, 90,90
gauge67=Captain_Sim.p721.P603!P603_003_light, 0,525, 90,90
gauge68=Captain_Sim.p721.U10!U10_014_light, 0,50, 45,45
gauge69=Captain_Sim.p721.U10!U10_021_light, 75,50, 45,45
gauge70=Captain_Sim.p721.U11!U11_001_light, 0,0, 45,45
gauge71=Captain_Sim.p721.U11!U11_009_light, 75,0, 45,45
gauge72=Captain_Sim.p721.U11!U11_018_light, 150,0, 121,45
gauge73=Captain_Sim.p721.W12!W12_002_light, 75,100, 45,45
gauge74=Captain_Sim.p721.W12!W12_003_light, 0,100, 45,45
gauge75=Captain_Sim.p721.W12!W12_004_light, 0,150, 45,45
gauge76=Captain_Sim.p721.O00!O00_002_light, 275,0, 140,116
gauge77=Captain_Sim.p721.O00!O00_001_light, 425,0, 140,116
gauge78=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_001_light, 125,475, 150,35
gauge79=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_002_light, 125,525, 150,35
gauge80=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_003_light, 125,575, 150,35
gauge81=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_004_light, 125,625, 150,35
gauge82=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_005_light, 125,675, 150,35
gauge83=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_006_light, 125,725, 150,35
gauge84=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_007_light, 125,775, 150,35
gauge85=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_008_light, 125,825, 150,35
gauge86=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_009_light, 125,875, 150,35
gauge87=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_010_light, 300,475, 150,35
gauge88=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_011_light, 300,525, 150,35
gauge89=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_012_light, 300,575, 150,35
gauge90=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_013_light, 300,625, 150,35
gauge91=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_014_light, 300,675, 150,35
gauge92=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_015_light, 300,725, 150,35
gauge93=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_016_light, 300,775, 150,35
gauge94=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_017_light, 300,825, 150,35
gauge95=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_018_light, 300,875, 150,35
gauge96=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_019_light, 475,475, 150,35
gauge97=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_020_light, 475,525, 150,35
gauge98=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_021_light, 475,575, 150,35
gauge99=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_022_light, 475,625, 150,35
gauge100=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_023_light, 475,675, 150,35
gauge101=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_024_light, 475,725, 150,35
gauge102=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_025_light, 475,775, 150,35
gauge103=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_026_light, 475,825, 150,35
gauge104=Captain_Sim.p721.P605!P605_027_light, 475,875, 150,35
gauge105=Captain_Sim.p721.P602!P602_002_light, 0,199, 20,20
gauge106=Captain_Sim.p721.P604!P604_001, 0, 624, 125, 85
gauge107=Captain_Sim.p721.P604!P604_002, 0, 724, 125, 85
gauge108=Captain_Sim.p721.P603!P603_004_light, 0,225, 50,50


[VCockpit04]
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$cpsp
background_color=0,0,0
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_016_n1, 0,200, 200,200
gauge01=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_017_n1, 200,200, 200,200
gauge02=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_018_n1, 400,200, 200,200
gauge03=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_022_n2, 0,600, 200,200
gauge04=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_023_n2, 200,600, 200,200
gauge05=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_024_n2, 400,600, 200,200
gauge06=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_019_egt, 0, 400,200,200
gauge07=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_020_egt, 200,400, 200,200
gauge08=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_021_egt, 400,400, 200,200
gauge09=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_025_ff, 0,800, 200,200
gauge10=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_026_ff, 200,800, 200,200
gauge11=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_027_ff, 400,800, 200,200
gauge12=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_004_epr, 0,0, 200,200
gauge13=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_005_epr, 200,0, 200,200
gauge14=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_006_epr, 400,0, 200,200
gauge15=Captain_Sim.p721.C08!C08_005_flap, 600,0, 200,200
gauge16=Captain_Sim.p721.C08!C08_002_flap, 800,0, 200,200
gauge17=Captain_Sim.p721.C04!C04_SAH, 600,202, 250,250
gauge18=Captain_Sim.p721.C06!C06_001_trim, 900,200, 101,101
gauge19=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_001_light, 650,874, 100,45
gauge20=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_002_light, 650,924, 100,45
gauge21=Captain_Sim.p721.C07!C07_003_light, 650,974, 100,45
gauge22=Captain_Sim.p721.C08!C08_003_light, 650,774, 100,45
gauge23=Captain_Sim.p721.C08!C08_004_light, 650,824, 100,45
gauge24=Captain_Sim.p721.C08!C08_001_light, 775,924, 48,89
gauge25=Captain_Sim.p721.C10!C10_001_light, 775,824, 39,89
gauge26=Captain_Sim.p721.C10!C10_002_light, 650,550, 100,50
gauge27=Captain_Sim.p721.C10!C10_003_light, 650,600, 100,50
gauge28=Captain_Sim.p721.C10!C10_004_light, 650,650, 100,50
gauge29=Captain_Sim.p721.C10!C10_005_light, 650,700, 100,50
gauge30=Captain_Sim.p721.C10!C10_006_light, 750,650, 100,50
gauge31=Captain_Sim.p721.C10!C10_007_light, 750,700, 100,50
gauge32=Captain_Sim.p721.C05!C05_001_light, 925,924, 97,95
gauge33=Captain_Sim.p721.C05!C05_002_light, 825,924, 97,95
gauge34=Captain_Sim.p721.C03!C03_001_light, 875,675, 75,75
gauge35=Captain_Sim.p721.C03!C03_002_light, 875,750, 75,75
gauge36=Captain_Sim.p721.C03!C03_003_light, 875,825, 75,75
gauge37=Captain_Sim.p721.C09!C09_001_light, 625,475, 75,75
gauge38=Captain_Sim.p721.C09!C09_002_light, 700,475, 75,75
gauge39=Captain_Sim.p721.C09!C09_003_light, 775,475, 75,75
gauge40=Captain_Sim.p721.C02!C02_001_digit, 772,773, 97, 33

[VCockpit05]
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$CPDSP
background_color=0,0,0
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.P01!P01_003_adf, 0, 0, 79, 35
gauge01=Captain_Sim.p721.P01!P01_004_adf, 0, 300, 55, 29
gauge02=Captain_Sim.p721.P07!P07_003_adf, 0, 50, 79, 35
gauge03=Captain_Sim.p721.P07!P07_004_adf, 0, 350, 55, 29
gauge04=Captain_Sim.p721.P10!P10_001_nav, 0, 100, 79, 50
gauge05=Captain_Sim.p721.P10!P10_002_comm, 0, 200, 79, 50
gauge06=Captain_Sim.p721.P11!P11_001_nav, 0, 150, 79, 50
gauge07=Captain_Sim.p721.P11!P11_002_comm, 0, 250, 79, 50
gauge08=Captain_Sim.p721.P10!P10_006_dme, 0, 400, 17, 17
gauge09=Captain_Sim.p721.P11!P11_006_dme, 20, 400, 17, 17
gauge10=Captain_Sim.p721.P09!P09_013_light, 100, 0, 90, 90
gauge11=Captain_Sim.p721.P09!P09_019_light, 175, 0, 90, 90
gauge12=Captain_Sim.p721.P13!P13_002_light, 99, 175, 20, 20
gauge13=Captain_Sim.p721.P13!P13_003_tcas, 98,  98, 85, 52


[VCockpit06]
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$OHSP
background_color=0,0,0

gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.O04!O04_007_light, 0, 0, 25,25
gauge01=Captain_Sim.p721.O04!O04_008_light, 25, 0, 25,25
gauge02=Captain_Sim.p721.O04!O04_002_light, 50, 0, 25,25
gauge03=Captain_Sim.p721.O04!O04_009_light, 75, 0, 25,25
gauge04=Captain_Sim.p721.O04!O04_010_light, 100, 0, 25,25
gauge05=Captain_Sim.p721.O07!O07_002_ndl, 150, 0, 25,25
gauge06=Captain_Sim.p721.O07!O07_001_light, 0, 100, 90,90
gauge07=Captain_Sim.p721.O08!O08_001_light, 0, 175, 90,90
gauge08=Captain_Sim.p721.O11!O11_004_light, 0, 250, 90,90
gauge09=Captain_Sim.p721.O14!O14_004_light, 0, 400, 90,90
gauge10=Captain_Sim.p721.O17!O17_003_light, 75, 100, 90,90
gauge11=Captain_Sim.p721.O17!O17_004_light, 75, 175, 90,90
gauge12=Captain_Sim.p721.O17!O17_007_light, 75, 250, 90,90
gauge13=Captain_Sim.p721.O17!O17_008_light, 75, 325, 90,90
gauge14=Captain_Sim.p721.O18!O18_001_ndl, 200, 0, 100,100
gauge15=Captain_Sim.p721.O18!O18_002_light, 75, 400, 90,90
gauge16=Captain_Sim.p721.O17!O17_005_light, 150, 100, 90,90
gauge17=Captain_Sim.p721.O17!O17_006_light, 150, 175, 90,90
gauge18=Captain_Sim.p721.O17!O17_009_light, 150, 250, 90,90
gauge19=Captain_Sim.p721.O17!O17_010_light, 150, 325, 90,90
gauge20=Captain_Sim.p721.O20!O20_004_light, 150, 400, 90,90
gauge21=Captain_Sim.p721.O19!O19_001_light, 225, 100, 90,90
gauge22=Captain_Sim.p721.O19!O19_004_light, 225, 175, 90,90
gauge23=Captain_Sim.p721.O19!O19_008_light, 225, 250, 90,90
gauge24=Captain_Sim.p721.O19!O19_006_light, 225, 325, 90,90
gauge25=Captain_Sim.p721.O19!O19_011_light, 225, 400, 90,90
gauge26=Captain_Sim.p721.O20!O20_001_ndl, 350, 0, 50,100
gauge27=Captain_Sim.p721.O20!O20_003_ndl, 425, 0, 50,100
gauge28=Captain_Sim.p721.O12!O12_003_light, 14,337, 46,46
gauge29=Captain_Sim.p721.O10!O10_001_light, 525, 0, 84,197
gauge30=Captain_Sim.p721.O10!O10_002_light, 625, 0, 37,149


[VCockpit07]
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$fprsp
background_color=0,0,0
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.R01!R01_machmeter, 24,26, 200,200
gauge01=Captain_Sim.p721.R03!R03_aplight, 625,749, 55,55
gauge02=Captain_Sim.p721.R04!R04_airspeed, 275, 30, 177, 169
gauge03=Captain_Sim.p721.R05!R05_rmi, 275, 775, 200,200
gauge04=Captain_Sim.p721.R10!R10_altimeter, 275,270, 210,240
gauge05=Captain_Sim.p721.R11!R11_vsi, 20,524, 217,220
gauge06=Captain_Sim.p721.R13!R13_ra, 260,505, 240,240
gauge07=Captain_Sim.p721.R07!R07_adi, 500, 30, 175, 152
gauge08=Captain_Sim.p721.R07!R07_010_slip, 275,225, 200, 47
gauge09=Captain_Sim.p721.R08!R08_hsi, 599, 400, 200, 250
gauge10=Captain_Sim.p721.R09!R09_002_light, 723,649, 133,64
gauge11=Captain_Sim.p721.R09!R09_003_light, 723,724, 133,64
gauge12=Captain_Sim.p721.R09!R09_004_light, 723,799, 133,64
gauge13=Captain_Sim.p721.R09!R09_005_light, 723,874, 133,64
gauge14=Captain_Sim.p721.R09!R09_006_light, 723,949, 80,64
gauge15=Captain_Sim.p721.R09!R09_007_light, 799,949, 80,64
gauge16=Captain_Sim.p721.R09!R09_008_light, 871,649, 136,64
gauge17=Captain_Sim.p721.R09!R09_009_light, 871,724, 136,64
gauge18=Captain_Sim.p721.R09!R09_010_light, 871,799, 136,64
gauge19=Captain_Sim.p721.R09!R09_011_light, 871,874, 136,64
gauge20=Captain_Sim.p721.R09!R09_012_light, 871,949, 136,64
gauge21=Captain_Sim.p721.R09!R09_001_light, 623,924, 92,90
gauge22=Captain_Sim.p721.R15!R15_001_dme,      499,799, 90,30
gauge23=Captain_Sim.p721.R15!R15_002_light, 625,824, 100,45
gauge24=Captain_Sim.p721.R15!R15_003_light, 625,873, 100,45
gauge25=Captain_Sim.p721.R06!R06_001_light, 624,698, 101,46
gauge26=Captain_Sim.p721.R06!R06_002_light, 498,923, 115,81
gauge27=Captain_Sim.p721.R06!R06_003_light, 499,849, 87,57
gauge28=Captain_Sim.p721.R09!R09_013_light, 626,649, 100,45
gauge29=Captain_Sim.p721.R12!R12_001_ndl, 650,225,130,130
gauge30=Captain_Sim.p721.R12!R12_002_ndl, 500,225,130,130
gauge31=Captain_Sim.p721.R02!R02_001_light, 700, 25, 100, 45
gauge32=Captain_Sim.p721.R02!R02_002_light, 700, 75, 100, 45
gauge33=Captain_Sim.p721.R02!R02_003_light, 700, 125, 100, 45
gauge34=Captain_Sim.p721.R02!R02_004_light, 825, 25, 100, 45
gauge35=Captain_Sim.p721.R02!R02_005_light, 825, 75, 100, 45
gauge36=Captain_Sim.p721.R02!R02_006_light, 825, 125, 100, 45
gauge37=Captain_Sim.p721.O21!O21_001, 796, 196, 110, 63

[VCockpit08]
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$cpsp2
background_color=0,0,0

gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.C06!C06_001_trim, 0, 0, 380, 380

[VCockpit09]
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$TVSP
background_color=0,0,0

gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.L02!L02_clock, 50, 300, 155, 151

[VCockpit10]
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$gssp
background_color=0,0,0

gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.GS!GS_004_light, 0,250, 57,91
gauge01=Captain_Sim.p721.GS!GS_007_light, 75,250, 58,91
gauge02=Captain_Sim.p721.GS!GS_010_light, 150,250, 58,91
gauge03=Captain_Sim.p721.GS!GS_001_light, 0,0, 100,50
gauge04=Captain_Sim.p721.GS!GS_002_light, 0,75, 124,63
gauge05=Captain_Sim.p721.GS!GS_003_light, 0,150, 124,63
gauge06=Captain_Sim.p721.GS!GS_009_light, 0,200, 124,63

[Color]
Day=255,255,255
Night=4,4,4
Luminous=128,0,0

[Default View]
X=0
Y=0
SIZE_X=8192
SIZE_Y=6144

any help getting this thing work would be great Thank you in advance.
  
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Reply #21 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 11:58am
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Up, please!

I'm new to the CS 727. I installed the INS CIVA, everything is working well except that after 15 minutes, the battery light of my INS start to illuminate and then a few minutes after the INS shut down...

I use the infinite battery of FSUIPC, I also added the electric_always_available=1
in the electrical section of the aircraft.cfg but no matter what my battery still die....

Is there a way to solve that problem?

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Reply #22 - May 1st, 2014 at 2:28am
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Me too >>
Just installed dual CIVA in CS Captain (FSX) B727-100.
It aligned and worked perfectly for about 3 waypoints
into the flight and then suddenly quit (shut off). The yellow battery
light on the CDUs appeared when I started to taxi and would go out
when power was reduced and or brakes applied. After takeoff
this light stayed on constantly until about 3 waypoints (30nm)
and then the CDUs' red warning lights came on and very shortly
thereafter the CIVA system shut down. Anyone have any
idea what I may have missed?
FYI, I use FSUIPC payware with infinite battery enabled. Also double
checked the generator switches and power switch settings. Even tried
turning the APU back on and giving it the load (with appropriate power
switch settings). Recycled the main battery switch (on engineers panel).
Nothing I tried made the yellow CDU battery light even blink.
Haven't tried everything mentioned early in this thread. Especially
should try starting up default Cessna, etc. first. I'll follow up later
but in meantime I'm open for any tips. I love the CIVA system >
used it with great success for several years with the (FS9) RFP B742.
Also trained on this system and worked on it for several years
in late 1960's as installed in the US Navy's SH-3D Helo.
I tried to "insert" a screen cap for illustration but the insert
function here doesn't appear to work for me.
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Reply #23 - May 1st, 2014 at 8:46am
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Ken Boardman wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 2:28am:
I tried to "insert" a screen cap for illustration but the insert
function here doesn't appear to work for me.
It's an anti spam measure.
Fear not, this will become available to you once you reach 10 posts. Wink
  

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Reply #24 - May 2nd, 2014 at 4:44am
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Tonight I tried starting from a fresh startup with the default Cessna
and then turning off Cessna fuel and battery prior to selecting the
B721.  Also cycled the battery switch twice as recommended in this
forum.  I still got the dreaded battery lights and eventual failure
of the CIVA.  Very frustrating because while the CIVA is functioning,
it does everything it's supposed to do and perfectly.  Just can't
seem to get the 727's power connected to it.  Even tried to trick
the CIVA after takeoff by supplying power to the aircraft with the
APU and applying the emergency brake (in flight ~Smiley  but those
yellow battery lights stayed on.
   Still hoping that someone who actually has succeeded in using
the CIVA with the CS727 will offer a TS tip or a solution.
Best to all,
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Reply #25 - May 2nd, 2014 at 5:03am
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To INSSUck,
  There should be a very small INS Switch panel (in my setup it's actually
attached to the twin CDU popup).  After engaging the auto pilot
with the Aileron and Elevator paddle switches and toggling Heading
mode ON (on the AP panel),  it is then necessary to toggle one of the
INS switches (small INS switch panel)  to the ON position. I apologize
if you are already aware of this,  but we can't make assumptions
here.
  My setup works great except it won't stay powered ON   Cry
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Reply #26 - May 10th, 2014 at 1:47am
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To all,
Below is a procedure I've developed for successful use of the fine
CIVA system with the Captain Sim B727.

Link to the textfile for download >>
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yl2bmjxf58k0t6l/CIVA_CS%20B727_startup.zip

CS B727 Captain (for FSX) with Delco Carousel INS installed, Startup Procedure >

Purpose >
Eliminate the CDU constant (yellow) battery light and subsequent CIVA system
shutdown, to enable normal CIVA INS operation in the Captain Sim B727

Developed using the following environment >
Win7-64, FSX Acceleration, FSUIPC (latest version), Captain Sim B727-100, CIVA
Ver 1.51 Dual Redundant setup, CIVA-CS_B727-100.zip (readily available CS721
panel.cfg file{slightly modified} with additional texture files).

Those of you who have learned the Delco Carousel Inertial Navigation System (CIVA )
will likely find this writing somewhat "long-winded". Those of you who haven't had much
exposure to the Delco Carousel CIVA will likely have some questions.

The checklist >
1. Delete ..Flight Simulator X\CIVA\*.isd file( just to be safe) prior to every flight >> a good
and harmless safety measure. NOTE: To be effective, this step must be accomplished
before loading the B727 in the sim.
2. Start FSX
3. Load Default Flight (I use Cessna 172)
NOTE: To be safe, use Keys and Keyboard combinations only (not the mouse) to
accomplish the following :
a. Shutdown engine (Ctrl + Shf + F1 > or your custom key assignments )
NOTE: If you leave the red Mixture Knob in the (pulled) out position, then when
the B727 is loaded, the Engine Start Levers on the Throttle Pedestal will be in
the correct (closed / lowered) position.
b. Switch off battery and alternator (Shf + M) IMPORTANT: Leave the Cessna's
avionics switch ON.
c. Other Cessna switches OFF except Magneto switch (optional) and Avionics
switch (Important)
4. Select / load a CS B727 that has CIVA properly installed
5. Move the B727 to world location of choice
6. Set parking brake
7. Set payload, fuel, time, date, etc.
8. Turn on INS self power by setting all MSU mode switches to "STBY" (Leave the
APU and aircraft battery switch OFF)
9. Perform normal CIVA preflight checks and alignment >> set present position,
waypoint entrys, distance checks, etc (ADEU works too, for those who use *.AWC
files to enter waypoints)
10. While INS is aligning > preset the cockpit gauges and switches (that can be preset
with aircraft power OFF) as necessary for the flight, and make / ensure the following
settings on Engineer's Panel:
a. Electrical system battery switch = OFF
b. Essential Power switch = Gen 2
c. Set / Ensure all 9 main generator toggle switches centered and their associated
indicator lights off
11.When green ready lights appear on the MSUs (APIs = 5 or less on CDU), set their
mode switches to"NAV". WARNING: Do not forget this step >> if this step is not
accomplished before the aircraft pushes back / taxis then the INS alignment will
invalidated, and the aircraft will need to be stopped (parking brake set) and the
alignment restarted ~Smiley
12.Toggle the B727 electrical system battery switch (upper engineer's panel) 2 (TWO)
times (Shf + M)
13.Start the APU > IMPORTANT: DO NOT toggle the APU Generator switch. Use the
APU AIR ONLY (for Engine start).
Info: The battery will power all radios and other necessary aircraft systems during
engine start (unrealistic > but it gets better ~)
14.Start engines (my order of start is 2, 3, 1)
15.Now, "it gets better" >> VERY IMPORTANT: Do not touch (or breath on) the 9 main
generator toggle switches on the Engineer's Panel (and hope that all 9 indicator
lights remain extinguished). Aircraft systems are now powered by the #2 Engine
Generator (or FM ~Smiley
16.Shut down the APU
17.After Pushback, when brakes are released and taxi power is applied, if you don't
see the dreaded CDU yellow battery caution light, then all should be well.

The autopilot worked well for me in Heading mode, however on the first flight (with "ALT
HOLD" not engaged) the aircraft elevator trim wheel (on throttle quadrant) wanted to
remain in center (neutral) position and the nice Pitch feature of the yoke was locked (inop),
which made the climb to cruising altitude more interesting than desired. If you experience
this, then I recommend temporarily toggle off the INS and disengage the auto pilot (just for
the altitude changes). When at desired altitude switch the AP and INS back on.
As an alternative to the above, you can try using the Turn and Pitch Controller knob on the
Auto Pilot panel for pitch adjustments. This has worked well for me lately.
AP "ALT HOLD" mode works fine, and INS connects to the AP with no issues when
AP "HEADING SEL" mode is engaged.
Also would like to mention that on my last two flights INS Dual DME Updating fiunctioned
perfectly. I have read several comments stating that this feature was not working, so this
was a very pleasant surprise.

I successfully tested this procedure five times before I considered sharing it.
Disclaimer: I can't guarantee that this will work as well for everyone as it did here. As most
of you may know, the very fine "CS B727 Captain" software and very fine Simufly CIVA INS
were never actually design to work together, and therefore I found it necessary to "adjust"
some of the CS B727 operating procedures (a few of them obvious as noted above) to coax
them to get along together. If it seems that I missed a detail or two (or three) well it's certainly
possible. It's early, so please consider this a "work in progress". I'm always open to tips
and suggestions for improvement and of course questions. I'll update this "essay" as the
adventure continues, if warranted.
Best to all,
Ken Boardman


  
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Reply #27 - May 10th, 2014 at 3:10am
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Ken Boardman wrote on May 10th, 2014 at 1:47am:
To all,
Below is a procedure I've developed for successful use of the fine
CIVA system with the Captain Sim B727. I tried to upload / attach
this as a text file, but was unable.


Thanks Ken. You will need to upload the text and/or Zip file to another location like FlightSim.com, AVSIM or even DropBox (I use Dropbox at the moment), and post the link in your post/reply.

Here are two examples of how to use the Hyperlink to share it:

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[url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/qtdza9oxjxkob8k/727-200_qantas.zip[/url] 



and it looks like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qtdza9oxjxkob8k/727-200_qantas.zip

OR

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[url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/qtdza9oxjxkob8k/727-200_qantas.zip]727-200 QANTAS livery[/url] 



and it looks like this: 727-200 QANTAS livery

Clicking on either Hyperlink will get you the 727-200_qantas.zip in my Dropbox.

Edited:
I forgot to thank you for the instruction on how to do it. I will be sure to do it soon to see if I get better results than I got last time. Thank You. Wink
  

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Reply #28 - May 11th, 2014 at 1:15am
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Hi Mark,
Thank you for the tip about Dropbox. I opened an "account" there
and placed a link to my text file in my post (above). Dropbox
appears to give more free storage space than many other
similar services. Another file storage service I was considering
only offered 1/2 the space (only 1gb) and charged $12 / month
for upgraded (additional) storage space, while Dropbox charges
for same amount of additional storage space > $9.
  If you have the necessary software and feel inclined to test
the CS B727 + CIVA procedure, let me know how it goes so
I can change stuff that can perhaps make it more complete
and / or easier to use.
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Reply #29 - Sep 16th, 2017 at 9:35am
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Sorry to bring up an old thread. My PC died and have done a reinstall of updated CS 727
have been reading this and other forums all day prior to this post

The new 727 comes with INS - but darned if I can work out how to get it going. (turning on, entering pos,
waypoints etc etc etc - but actually getting it to navigate ??)

I use CIVA INS in 707 and it works fine.

I have put the CIVA INS now in my 727 - all waypoints load no problem, align ok - but i can not turn the heading switch on.
Have tried everything ...

Am I missing the point
Does the INS that comes with 727 now actually work ? I cant find any documentation on it.

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Reply #30 - Sep 17th, 2017 at 2:16am
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AUZ087 wrote on Sep 16th, 2017 at 9:35am:
The new 727 comes with INS - but darned if I can work out how to get it going. (turning on, entering pos,
waypoints etc etc etc - but actually getting it to navigate ??)

To make the 727 fly the route in the Captain Sim CIVA INS:

6. Navigation Source Selector
Autopilot will track CIVA-INS flightplan:
- Autopilot Mode Selector should be in MAN position;
- Autopilot HDG Switch should be engaged;
- Autopilot Navigation Source Selector - pos AB;
- Heading Bug on Captain's HSI will be controlled by CIVA-INS.


The above is copied from the ‘727 Captain’ FLIGHT MANUAL Part II – Aircraft and Systems (cs727_manual2.pdf) page 68.
  

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Reply #31 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 10:39am
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Thanks, Ill give it a go right now !
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Reply #32 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 1:29pm
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Works like a charm now - missed the point on the AB
Thanks !


AUZ087 wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 10:39am:
Thanks, Ill give it a go right now !
Cheers
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