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Reply #30 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 9:25pm
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Hi NamCo, I know this is getting off topic but I guess you would need a mic/headset arrangement to do this and what is the load in terms of internet data and time, the reason I ask this is I like the idea (I mean if someone wants to do ATC instead of flight simming sounds fine by me) but I have to rely on a digital 3G mobile internet modem because I live in the country and have no landline or cable access available and while my speeds are fine I am severely limitd by download capacity in terms of my telco's limiting or capping my monthly limit (MarkOz will be familiar with the sorry state of internet and broadband outcomes in OZ) and I cannot change what they give me so I would not want it chewed up with a couple of hours on VATSIM for example. Any ideas what the internet data demands are for VATSIM?
  
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Reply #31 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 12:59am
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Still off topic. Going by what CoastalDriver said, I'm lucky because do not live too far out in the country, about 100 kilometers from Melbourne, and we have a very fast (30Mb/sec) cable network with their plans getting better all the time. I have friends who live 20 kilometers away who get charged huge amounts for small download limits. I consider myself lucky because the company picked our city to install cable.

As for IVAO or VATSIM, I doubt I would be able to pause FSX in mid flight (not that you can pause it anyway) if I found I really needed to. I have too many bad pain days to allow me the joy of flying without taking a break now and then. Wink

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Reply #32 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 5:23am
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Yeah I forgot about the pause while I boil the kettle, make a cuppa, answer the phone then unpause to keep going. With ATC guarantee the moment you hand over to the autopilot they will call you and when you cannot respond. This invariably happened when I would be mid flight across the Pacific and come back to find the ATC window open and a lot of dialogue finishing with flight plan cancelled however flight was proceeding merrily so I leave it that and if I want reactivate the plan before top of descent, only trouble is the GPS can never reload the plan and pick up where you are in terms of the plan and always insists on giving your readings from the start of the plan and that is a real pain if you have the nav following GPS.

Think I will keep to flight following as I do now, too much trouble to do the other stuff.
  
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Reply #33 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 9:00am
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Yeah, with a 3G connection it's hard to maintain a stable connection for the required amount of data. You don't REQUIRE voice, but it's much easier and more "professional" like that.

You cannot pause online, well, at least you shouldn't, not for more than 5 minutes. As for pause on TOD or similar, the same applies - And if you're under ATC control, you have to be there and you simply cannot pause.

I guess i didn't remember all of that  Grin
  
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Reply #34 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 8:47pm
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They have a 25% discount for Aivlasoft EFB now. Just sayin'.
  
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Reply #35 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 10:25pm
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Markoz wrote on Dec 6th, 2011 at 12:59am:
Still off topic. Going by what CoastalDriver said, I'm lucky because do not live too far out in the country, about 100 kilometers from Melbourne, and we have a very fast (30Mb/sec) cable network with their plans getting better all the time. I have friends who live 20 kilometers away who get charged huge amounts for small download limits. I consider myself lucky because the company picked our city to install cable...

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Mark, excuse my asking, but how much do you pay to get your 30 Mbps? For the comparison my 20 Mbps cable connection here in Rio de Janeiro, costs about US$ 100.00 per month.

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Reply #36 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 11:06pm
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Here in Portugal i am currently on a new ISP (Vodafone) which charges me €36.99 in the first year and €42.99 from then on for free phone, 70 tv channels and 50/5Mbit internet.

Previous ISP charged me €59.99 for the same stuff exactly  Tongue
  
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Reply #37 - Dec 7th, 2011 at 1:28am
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Pinatubo wrote on Dec 6th, 2011 at 10:25pm:
Mark, excuse my asking, but how much do you pay to get your 30 Mbps? For the comparison my 20 Mbps cable connection here in Rio de Janeiro, costs about US$ 100.00 per month.

It depends on the download allotment. I'm paying $AU80 a month for 120GB of traffic (upload and download) per month. They have just been "bought out" by a larger ISP Company and I will soon be paying $AU70 400GB per month at 30Gb/sec.

The second part to all this is that it is split in two. 60GB during peak time 7am - 1am and 60GB for offpeak time 1am to 7am. Our slow down for exceeding our limit is 64Kb/sec.

There are better plans for less out there, but they have not been fully introduced to where I live. Once they are, I might switch.

The big downside to my broadband is that we have 4, sometimes 5 (a laptop), computers using the one internet connection through a router. I have 2 adult sons still living at home who spend most of their time playing multiplayer games online all day. Plus the fact that I download a lot of files when I need drivers for computers I fix. It all ads up. We usually manage to just stay under our limit, but once every 4 or 5 months, we exceed it and get a slow down for a day or two. So our internet, at present, is borderline enough. It should be plenty once we start the new plan, but like most others times, we get more so we use more.

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Reply #38 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 1:52am
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Nuno and Mark,

Thanks for the feedbacks. For comparison, my ISP (Net-Virtua) charges me about US$ 100.00 monthly to get 20 Mbps, 100 GB (traffic limit) internet, plus 120 cable TV channels. No phone included.

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Reply #39 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 4:22am
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Pinatubo wrote on Dec 8th, 2011 at 1:52am:
Nuno and Mark,

Thanks for the feedbacks. For comparison, my ISP (Net-Virtua) charges me about US$ 100.00 monthly to get 20 Mbps, 100 GB (traffic limit) internet, plus 120 cable TV channels. No phone included.

Pinatubo.

I did have their Pay TV, but I dumped that a few years ago when they changed it too much and it suddenly started costing us a small fortune to keep. Our home phone is VOIP through our ISP. The service and phone calls are quite cheap compared to a normal phone line.

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Reply #40 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 8:54am
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Geez, you guys have unbelievable download capacity, because I am in a rural area with no landline we are stuck with mobile 3G modems, capped at 15GB per month and that is it, even if you wanted to pay for more they wont give it too you, gets me cranky I can tell you. So we have two carriers so we get at least 30 GB per month, but the problem is we use the computer for internet TV and it burns through the download very quickly and my prediliction for some big sim files now and then. Fortunately just using the FSX and REX does not demand much.

I am envious. Bring on the NBN, but I can guarantee it will never happen for us, unless we pay. Telstra wanted $30,000 to put a line in. Told em forget it. Then they turned up last month wanting to put an optic fibre through our property to their towers on a hill nearby (not my place), told em yeah sure, put our line in for free or forget. Have not heard from them, hope it costs them a couple of hundred grand to do it because they are not coming through our place for free, what a cheek.
  
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Reply #41 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 2:48pm
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The approach plate for an ILS is the way to go, and of course, a legal requirement for real world instrument flights.  I have access to terminal procedures through membership to the Airplane Owners and Pilots Association, but for simulation I sometimes just "wing it" to expedite landing at an airport I don't want to to take the time to download or look up.  The following works good for me when I am not trying to exercise real world proceeedures and should work adequately for those without access to approach plates:

Look up destination airport on the FSX map.  Note the airport winds, field elevation, and ILS equipped runways.  Select a runway taking best advantage of winds and note the localized frequency and approach course.  Also visualize an intercept course from current location to the beginning of the ILS course shown on the map.  Exit Map and return to flight, then setup localizer frequency and course.  Turn to intercept the localizer and navigate to around 2500 feet above field elevation (terrain permitting, otherwise adjust as needed)  Adjust intercept course enroute as needed (if GPS available, use as self-contained radar vectors to intercept point) and slow to approach speed.  Intercept localizer and turn on approach course.  Watch for glide path cues to become active and aircraft below the glide path.  Continue approach with normal ILS procedures (including intercepting the glide path from beloe) to landing or missed approach.

Happy flying,
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Re: Finally Ditching ATC
Reply #42 - Dec 9th, 2011 at 1:33am
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gallen144 wrote on Dec 8th, 2011 at 2:48pm:
Look up destination airport on the FSX map.  Note the airport winds, field elevation, and ILS equipped runways.  Select a runway taking best advantage of winds and note the localized frequency and approach course.  Also visualize an intercept course from current location to the beginning of the ILS course shown on the map.  Exit Map and return to flight, then setup localizer frequency and course.  Turn to intercept the localizer and navigate to around 2500 feet above field elevation (terrain permitting, otherwise adjust as needed)  Adjust intercept course enroute as needed (if GPS available, use as self-contained radar vectors to intercept point) and slow to approach speed.  Intercept localizer and turn on approach course.  Watch for glide path cues to become active and aircraft below the glide path.  Continue approach with normal ILS procedures (including intercepting the glide path from beloe) to landing or missed approach.

This is the method I use for any aircraft that doesn't have an FMS. It works great too.

I don't have access to charts, so I use FSC9 to give me some idea on what I need to do. I also add the default FS GPS to most of the aircraft that don't have it, so I can get a lot of info from that. I still have to use the either the FSX Map or FSC9 to give me the runway heading for ILS approaches. I nearly always have FSC and FSX running together. I use ASE for weather, so I look at my destination to see what the weather is there. I'm still learning to not ask for landing instructions from 30 miles out, because the ATIS and control tower seem to have different weather to ASE until I'm about 15 miles out.

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Reply #43 - Dec 9th, 2011 at 5:30am
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Agree I use FSX the same way for places I don't have charts for and to work out what is what, very handy. I really would like some enroute charts for here and there but alas apart from the US ones (which by the way will cover most of the world in generalised detail) I have not been able to find others in paper that I could use here when simming.

I do have links I coul post for Australian, French, US and Japanese Charts and a lot in Europe as well,  some like the Europeans and Japanese you have to create an account to get access but no payment is required, the FAA stuff is free for the US and all US Territories, same with the French and European stuff, not that I have used it much but it was handy for Tahiti and places like that in the Pacific. I can't get the Pacific Region because most of those countries charts are issued by the NZ CAA and they are strictly subscriber and pay, not that it matters much as you can always get the ILS frequencies, runways and approach course out of FSX but not other approaches bit of problem though for a place like Canton Island in Kiribati which only has an NDB approach. I fudge it for those places and give myself a GPS designed ILS approach and watch the radar altimeter like a hawk, after all no point in crashing then starting all over again after hours across the big pond.
  
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