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Reply #15 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 2:56am
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If you got up early and your plane left at 6 a.m., you'd arrive in London at 3 in the afternoon.
  

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Reply #16 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 5:00am
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boeing247 wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 2:56am:
If you got up early and your plane left at 6 a.m., you'd arrive in London at 3 in the afternoon.


Well, you usually don't do business in far-off places the day you get there, usually you allow a day to get there, and get settled...
  

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Reply #17 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 5:28am
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So what's the problem with arriving early in the morning or late at night?  Huh Whenever I've gone to Europe, I have arrived in the afternoon.
  

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Reply #18 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 1:11pm
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701151 wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 5:00am:
boeing247 wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 2:56am:
If you got up early and your plane left at 6 a.m., you'd arrive in London at 3 in the afternoon.


Well, you usually don't do business in far-off places the day you get there, usually you allow a day to get there, and get settled...


Depends on what else you are doing, a day spent settling in can be a day wasted. That was the beauty of flying on Concorde. You could time meetings in New York for the day of travel as if you were driving there by car or taking a train to a meeting.
  

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Reply #19 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 2:01pm
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Well obviously there wasn't the demand, it was a money-losing venture for Air France and British Airways, and the Tu-144 was only used by Aeroflot because the Soviet government forced the to use it. If there had been demand for supersonic travel, we would still have it, and we would have a third-generation SST by now.
  

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Reply #20 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 11:58pm
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The carbon emissions also became a big problem as people became more aware of harming the environment.
  

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Reply #21 - Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:33am
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boeing247 wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 11:58pm:
The carbon emissions also became a big problem as people became more aware of harming the environment.

And the price of fuel!
  

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Reply #22 - Nov 16th, 2011 at 2:00pm
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boeing247 wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 11:58pm:
The carbon emissions also became a big problem as people became more aware of harming the environment.


Well that volcanic eruption in iceland kinda put out more CO2 and other $#!t than man has in the last 10 years...
  

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Reply #23 - Nov 16th, 2011 at 3:10pm
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boeing247 wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 11:58pm:
people became more aware of harming the environment.

Is there any reference that backs up this newly discovered 'awareness' you mention there?  Huh
I mean, I would be happy to see people or even companies acting aware in regard to the environment, but it could well be that you are following a naive assessment of the situation.

Mark names it. That's the 'awareness' which really is present. The costs involved.
  
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Reply #24 - Nov 16th, 2011 at 3:24pm
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CoolP wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 3:10pm:
boeing247 wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 11:58pm:
people became more aware of harming the environment.

Is there any reference that backs up this newly discovered 'awareness' you mention there?  Huh
I mean, I would be happy to see people or even companies acting aware in regard to the environment, but it could well be that you are following a naive assessment of the situation.

Mark names it. That's the 'awareness' which really is present. The costs involved.


I in no way said that carbon emissions were the main cause of the Concorde's removal from service. However, most things I have read on the Concorde do mention environmental concerns as a reason that SST's are not practical and why the Concorde is no longer in service. There are a lot of climate change and environmental rallies today, so you can imagine the kinds of protests the Concorde could stir up.

And Mark should know that, the Prime Minister of Australia passed a carbon emissions bill a few months ago!  Grin
  

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Reply #25 - Nov 16th, 2011 at 3:54pm
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I didn't take your statement as being Concorde related, it looked more like a general one to me. However, do you have any reference on this one?
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most things I have read on the Concorde do mention environmental concerns as a reason that SST's are not practical and why the Concorde is no longer in service.


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so you can imagine the kinds of protests the Concorde could stir up.

Well, lets say I know pretty much about the 'protests' and their topics within the Concorde era, maybe that's why your new fact base now raises questions. Maybe I was missing some vital data until now though.
I could name some environmental concerns regarding that old plane, but I'm mainly surprised about the context you are using them so far, which is a new one for me.  Hence the question regarding references.
  
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Reply #26 - Nov 16th, 2011 at 4:24pm
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boeing247 wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 11:58pm:
The carbon emissions also became a big problem as people became more aware of harming the environment.


IMO thinking about the carbon emission from airliners is a great joke. It's just a way of airlines and/or government agencies to get more money from users adding carbon emissions taxes to airfares. Who cares about the ammount of carbon emissions from all others sources? Nowadays, there is an estimated amount of over 750 million motor vehicles in the world (Source: How many cars are in the world?). And about manufaturing, refining, chemical and mining processes? And even about households carbon dioxide emissions? Please, let's think about the whole thing and not only about an insignificant portion.

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Reply #27 - Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:46pm
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CoolP wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 3:54pm:
I didn't take your statement as being Concorde related, it looked more like a general one to me. However, do you have any reference on this one?
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most things I have read on the Concorde do mention environmental concerns as a reason that SST's are not practical and why the Concorde is no longer in service.


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so you can imagine the kinds of protests the Concorde could stir up.

Well, lets say I know pretty much about the 'protests' and their topics within the Concorde era, maybe that's why your new fact base now raises questions. Maybe I was missing some vital data until now though.
I could name some environmental concerns regarding that old plane, but I'm mainly surprised about the context you are using them so far, which is a new one for me.  Hence the question regarding references.



I agree with CoolP. Plus, since barely 1% of the world's carbon emissions are a result of all commercial aviation from around the world, I'd doubt even 200 SST's would budge anything.

In the 80's they thought the world was going to freeze over, now its melting. Our weather models (five of them here in the U.S) can't accurately predict the weather for a week from now half the time; how on earth are we supposed to be able to predict what the earth will do in 10 years, 100 years or 1,000 years? Its absurd. Politicians are making it like a religion, to get money, followers, and start a 'cause' that will lead them towards the office they seek. In 2009, when Britain's parliment approved the first major act that helps the environment to combat global warming, it snowed in London, in October, for the first time since like 1896. Yeah, global warming, a load of B.S I think.
  

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Reply #28 - Nov 17th, 2011 at 3:52am
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Pinatubo wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 4:24pm:
boeing247 wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 11:58pm:
The carbon emissions also became a big problem as people became more aware of harming the environment.


IMO thinking about the carbon emission from airliners is a great joke. It's just a way of airlines and/or government agencies to get more money from users adding carbon emissions taxes to airfares. Who cares about the ammount of carbon emissions from all others sources? Nowadays, there is an estimated amount of over 750 million motor vehicles in the world (Source: How many cars are in the world?). And about manufaturing, refining, chemical and mining processes? And even about households carbon dioxide emissions? Please, let's think about the whole thing and not only about an insignificant portion.

Pinatubo.


Here's the carbon emissions of Seattle:


Look at this:
http://planetgreen.discovery.com/tech-transport/plane-train-automobile-travel.ht...

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I didn't take your statement as being Concorde related, it looked more like a general one to me. However, do you have any reference on this one?


Joe Sutter, head engineer of the 747 project, stated in his book 747 that the Boeing SST was not put into production due to lack of funding and unfeasibility concerns, such as the amount of emissions produced by supersonic jetliners, namely the Concorde.
  

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Reply #29 - Nov 17th, 2011 at 4:31am
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Well Seattle is one of the most aviation-oriented cities in the world, with the second largest maker of commercial aircraft being based there, plus a quite large international airport. However thats just a city, a small space, whose metropolitan area including and surrounding the city consists of less than 8200 sq mi. So on a massive planet the size of ours, with massive amounts of cars, factories, boats, and homes, the emissions of the airliners is minimal.
  

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