Visit Captain Sim web site  
  Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register

 

Page Index Toggle Pages: [1]  Send TopicPrint
 25 Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou (Read 52874 times)
Aeroporc
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 8
Joined: Aug 2nd, 2011
Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Aug 6th, 2011 at 9:35am
Print Post  
Hello, how to climb and hold an altitude ?

I don't can clim or descent with Ap, just in manual

Thanks
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
LOU
Beta Team
*
Offline


727,707,747,757,767=
40years of Boeings

Posts: 1593
Location: Central PA, USA
Joined: Mar 3rd, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Auto-Pilot
Reply #1 - Aug 9th, 2011 at 2:13am
Print Post  
Aeroporc,

This information is covered in the manual, but I'll give you a quick look at the 727-100 autopilot.



This is a break down of the areas of the 727-100 autopilot.

From left to right:

Autopilot Mode selector- [ 1 ] allows you to select manual mode which is where the switch is in this picture, or you can select the three radio modes called:

NAV/LOC - this mode will track a VOR radial or the localizer part of the ILS.

AUTO G/S - automatic capture of ILS. You must capture the LOC first and then capture the G/S from below.

MAN G/S - forced capture of the ILS

Next is pitch and roll.- [ 2 ] The knob turns left and right to roll the plane in a turn, and the knob also can pivot up and down to control the pitch of the plane. The roll and pitch is controlled by using the mouse. When you mouse over the control, a hand appears and by pushing the mouse button you can drag the knob left or right to turn the plane. Also, when you place the mouse over the narrow front of the knob and make short taps on the mouse button the pitch will change. This requires very small taps of the mouse button otherwise you will OVER control the pitch and loose control of the plane. You can observe the ADI and watch the pitch change as you make small taps of the mouse button. You can also look for a mouse over message that will show you the pitch change. Place your mouse on the aft or fat part of the knob and make a short tap of the left button (see picture below). This will cause the pitch to increase. The line through the knob shows the pivot point. The double headed arrow line is trying to show that the knob can pivot on that axis. This takes some practice and is some times a royal pain to use, but it was a pain in the real plane as well. The latter autopilot in the 727-200 has a pitch wheel which works much better.

Aileron Paddle - �[ 3 ] engages the aileron channel of the autopilot. You can engage just the aileron channel of the autopilot and control the pitch with the yoke.

Elevator Paddle - �[ 4 ] controls the pitch channel of the autopilot. Will not engage unless the aileron paddle is engaged. Engaging these paddles turns on the autopilot. You can manually pull the paddles off, or hit the yoke disconnect button [Z]. If you pull the ELEV paddle off the AIL channel will stay engaged. If you pull the AIL paddle off the whole autopilot turns off.

ATL HOLD - �[ 5 ] engages the altitude hold part of the autopilot. The autopilot will attempt to hold the altitude at the time the switch is turned on. If you are climbing or descending when you flip the switch the autopilot will go through a few pitch oscillations before it settles down. Try to be level, or at a very small reading on the IVSI before turning on this switch.

HDG SEL - �[ 6 ] only works in manual mode. It follows the heading bug in the Captain's HSI.

HYD Selector - �[ 7 ] allows you to control which hydraulic system the autopilot uses to control pitch. The A-B position is used to supply a redundant source of hydraulic power for an autopilot approach.



I hope this helps. It takes a bit of trial and error to get the results you want. Use the autopilot and play with the various modes until you get a comfort zone.

Lou
  

Processor: Intel Core i7-4770k @3.5Ghz Memory: 6Gb DDR3 1600mhz Video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Storage: 256Gb Samsung 840 Pro | 120Gb OCZ Agility 3 | WD Black 640Gb 7200rpm 55" Samsung LED - HDTV for monitor
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Markoz
CS Team
*
Offline



Posts: 12360
Location: Victoria, Australia
Joined: Apr 24th, 2009
Gender: Male
Re: Auto-Pilot
Reply #2 - Aug 9th, 2011 at 5:27am
Print Post  
Lou.

Do you ever use the 2D Autopilot Panel? I always seems to have trouble when trying to use the Pitch up/down (#2 on 2nd Pic). I usually accidentally add left or right banking to it when I'm only wanting to trim the pitch. This is the main reason I use the 2D Autopilot Panel.

Mark
  

Mark Fletcher



PC: i7 10700K @3.8/5.1GHz | 64GB DDR4 3200 | 12GB RTX 4070 Super | 32" LCD Monitor | 1TB SSD & 2x2TB SSD | Win 11 Pro - FSX/FSX-SE/P3D3/P3D4/P3D5/P3D6/MSFS2020
15.6" Gaming Laptop: i7 7700HQ | 32GB DDR4 | 6GB GTX 1060 | 256GB SSD & 1TB HDD | Win 10 Pro 64bit - FSX-SE/P3D4
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Aeroporc
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 8
Joined: Aug 2nd, 2011
Re: Auto-Pilot
Reply #3 - Aug 9th, 2011 at 3:07pm
Print Post  
Thanks a lot LOU, i try tonight, the Autopilot of the 727 is difficult for a new pilot !



Thanks !
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
LOU
Beta Team
*
Offline


727,707,747,757,767=
40years of Boeings

Posts: 1593
Location: Central PA, USA
Joined: Mar 3rd, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Auto-Pilot
Reply #4 - Aug 9th, 2011 at 3:15pm
Print Post  
Mark,

I only use the 2D autopilot and place it at the top corner of my display - out of the way.

As for using the turn knob, even it the real plane it was a pain to use. Most pilots used heading select to drive the plane around, or hit the little red button on the yoke and hand fly the plane. The 727 was a very nice plane to hand fly, all you needed to do was keep it in trim. In the traffic pattern or on vectors the plane was easy to fly. At cruise speed it was not as much fun since it was too pitch sensitive and you would make the passengers go weeeeeeee! Grin

Lou
  

Processor: Intel Core i7-4770k @3.5Ghz Memory: 6Gb DDR3 1600mhz Video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Storage: 256Gb Samsung 840 Pro | 120Gb OCZ Agility 3 | WD Black 640Gb 7200rpm 55" Samsung LED - HDTV for monitor
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
CoolP
Senior Member
*
Offline



Posts: 2568
Joined: Jan 17th, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Auto-Pilot
Reply #5 - Aug 9th, 2011 at 4:19pm
Print Post  
Me likes weeeeeeee.  Grin
You can always scream 'I'm just following the charts!' to the paying payload then.  Tongue

Great read about the AP, Lou. CS should make that sticky or add it to the KB, or both.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Aeroporc
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 8
Joined: Aug 2nd, 2011
Re: Auto-Pilot
Reply #6 - Aug 9th, 2011 at 6:29pm
Print Post  
Thanks a lot !!!!

Lou, you're Tutorial is very good, i use the AP in 2D only, because in the virtual cokpit is difficult.

Okay, I can fly now !

My biggest wish.

Vincent,
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
asanal
Senior Member
*
Offline



Posts: 522
Location: Flemington,NJ  USA
Joined: Jul 9th, 2009
Gender: Male
Re: Auto-Pilot
Reply #7 - Aug 10th, 2011 at 3:53pm
Print Post  
Lou,
Thank you.It is an excellent  information.You are a "Good" teacher.
Sanal
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
wsciutti
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 81
Joined: Mar 14th, 2009
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #8 - Nov 1st, 2011 at 3:55pm
Print Post  
Hi Lou,
I've been away for a time but am enjoying(?) the 'three holer' again.

Have some time as FE with TWA many moons ago and my time (usually on furlough) was limited to 727,707 out of JFK/LGA.

Do have 'Buff' time, over 2000 you know where.

Thanks for the insights.

Jack S.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
LOU
Beta Team
*
Offline


727,707,747,757,767=
40years of Boeings

Posts: 1593
Location: Central PA, USA
Joined: Mar 3rd, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #9 - Nov 1st, 2011 at 7:15pm
Print Post  
Jack S.,

Welcome back to the "Pig."

This is a fun airplane to fly and do takeoffs and landings.

Lou TWA- 680503
  

Processor: Intel Core i7-4770k @3.5Ghz Memory: 6Gb DDR3 1600mhz Video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Storage: 256Gb Samsung 840 Pro | 120Gb OCZ Agility 3 | WD Black 640Gb 7200rpm 55" Samsung LED - HDTV for monitor
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
TRaiteri14
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 10
Location: Memphis, TN
Joined: Jan 16th, 2012
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #10 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 10:50am
Print Post  
I need help on the NAV/LOC I put the AP on that mode but I can't see to get it on my route I'm using manual heading just to stay on it (which isn't a big deal but I would like the NAV/LOC to act like a NAV/GPS. haha
  

&&&&&&
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Antonio P
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 26
Location: LEXJ
Joined: Jan 19th, 2011
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #11 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 12:18am
Print Post  
Hi Lou:

And how did you flied Holding patterns? Using the turning knob, the heading select or by hand? If using turning knob how did you proceeded?

Regards.
  

Antonio P&&IVAO 112192&&&&
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Berlopez
Senior Member
*
Offline


Denmark<br />

Posts: 345
Joined: Sep 8th, 2009
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #12 - May 27th, 2012 at 7:03pm
Print Post  
After no having used the 727-100 for a while.I just attempted a flight.All was well until the controllers of various control tower along the route began to contact me to adjut repeatedly the alt. press. in order to maintain mycrising alt.10.000ft. Using the "B" key only moved the numbers a twitch, so by enlarging and clicking with the mouse I got as close possible...This didn't help either...Only Control kept on contacting me to adjust.Finally; I got fed up and dumpped the flight. Has there been an update/editting on autopilot,lately that I haven't seen?This is my Autopilot section in my Panel.cfg file:
[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=447,106
position=2
visible=0
ident=10005
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap, 20,0, 427,106
gauge01=Cessna!Nav_GPS_Annunciator, 0,0,20,20
gauge02=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch, 0,20,20,20


berlopez
  

<div class=
Back to top
IP Logged
 
Berlopez
Senior Member
*
Offline


Denmark<br />

Posts: 345
Joined: Sep 8th, 2009
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #13 - May 27th, 2012 at 7:08pm
Print Post  
I am unable to maintain altitude and the controllers keep contacting me to adjust altimeter setting constantly  Angry Even though I press the "B" key and check the numbers they're close then I adjuts using the mouse.They keep on contacting me. It's a nuisance!All I've done to the a/p is add the GPS gauge as itwas added back then. Here´is my a/p section in the panel.cfg file:

[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=447,106
position=2
visible=0
ident=10005
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap, 20,0, 427,106
gauge01=Cessna!Nav_GPS_Annunciator, 0,0,20,20
gauge02=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch, 0,20,20,20

Has there been an update or amI missing something?

Berlopez
  

<div class=
Back to top
IP Logged
 
LOU
Beta Team
*
Offline


727,707,747,757,767=
40years of Boeings

Posts: 1593
Location: Central PA, USA
Joined: Mar 3rd, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #14 - May 27th, 2012 at 8:06pm
Print Post  
I guess your talking about adjusting the altimeter for local pressure.
When you fly for a long flight - more than a 100 miles the weather will change and I guess there times that even in short flights through weather systems the pressure could change enough to make a big enough difference that would cause ATC to alert you to up-date the altimeter. In Europe, when you fly above the transition level you set standard pressure - 29.92 inHG  / 1013 hPa. Below this level or in the U.S. below FL180 you set local station pressure.

Every 28 feet = 1 hPa  Cool

If you adjust the altimeter and  now the new reading is 100 feet different you need to turn off altitude hold, adjust the altitude up or down as needed using the pitch knob ( I know it's sensitive ) and when at the proper level re-engage altitude hold.

I hope that helps, if not
pour yourself a nice Grand Marnier
and just do a little "Free Flight" Bernardo



Lou  Wink

Uploaded with ImageShack.us
  

Processor: Intel Core i7-4770k @3.5Ghz Memory: 6Gb DDR3 1600mhz Video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Storage: 256Gb Samsung 840 Pro | 120Gb OCZ Agility 3 | WD Black 640Gb 7200rpm 55" Samsung LED - HDTV for monitor
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Berlopez
Senior Member
*
Offline


Denmark<br />

Posts: 345
Joined: Sep 8th, 2009
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #15 - May 28th, 2012 at 7:53pm
Print Post  
Hi Lou: (Hick)...I think the reason I was having all those calls, was I was using a saved flight and downloading real Weather on top of it ??? I'm not 100% certain of this.

I just reflew the flight had terrible difficulties loading the 727 from start.So I loaded the default 737-800... I'm Loading FSx with AlacrityPC Which a member at the avsim forums helped me install.When I reached my cruise alt. I changed to the 727 and continued the flight. All went very well. It behaved itself; Upon landing at Hamburg ( Hamburg airport ILS RWY 5 it went by the book!  Smiley









Berlopez Grin




  

<div class=
Back to top
IP Logged
 
LOU
Beta Team
*
Offline


727,707,747,757,767=
40years of Boeings

Posts: 1593
Location: Central PA, USA
Joined: Mar 3rd, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #16 - May 28th, 2012 at 9:03pm
Print Post  
Some how I missed a post from Antonio P... I am sorry!   Sad

The question was: And how did you flied Holding patterns? Using the turning knob, the heading select or by hand? If using turning knob how did you proceeded?

Antonio, most pilots used the heading select. Some would use the turn knob as well. Hand flying in a holding pattern was a pain!  Shocked

The heading select was the best for me. You could get the orientation from the chart and if you knew the wind you could apply a correction right from the beginning, or take a turn in the pattern and figure the wind drift and then make the correction.

Sorry again for the tardy reply!

Lou  Embarrassed
  

Processor: Intel Core i7-4770k @3.5Ghz Memory: 6Gb DDR3 1600mhz Video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Storage: 256Gb Samsung 840 Pro | 120Gb OCZ Agility 3 | WD Black 640Gb 7200rpm 55" Samsung LED - HDTV for monitor
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Fly from Portland
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 203
Location: Salem, Oregon
Joined: Apr 24th, 2013
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #17 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 5:40am
Print Post  
Hi Lou
I have been practicing landings for a few weeks and I'm trying to keep from porpoiseing in the glide slope. Is there any good technique to stop this from happening. Auto GS is the worst for this condition at KJFK. I am pretty sure I am low enough to be under the GS when I capture it. The manual GS usually keeps me at -700 fpm on descent which is what I want. I am starting at 1500 alt and about 8 or 9 miles out from rwy 22R. Any suggestions would be helpful. Undecided
  

Marc&&Dell XPS 8300 AMD Radeon HD 6450&&Intel(R)Core(TM) i5-2310 CPU@2.90GHz&&6 GB 64 bit&&&&
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
LOU
Beta Team
*
Offline


727,707,747,757,767=
40years of Boeings

Posts: 1593
Location: Central PA, USA
Joined: Mar 3rd, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #18 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 8:07pm
Print Post  
I'm not sure why you are having this problem in AUTO G/S and not in MAN G/S. Once you are on the glide slope switching from AUTO to MAN should not make any difference. Once you are on the glide slope in either mode the dynamics are the same.

One thing that will cause pitch changes is thrust changes. Since this is old school flying there is no auto-thrust so you need to be aware to make smooth & slow changes to power as you capture the G/S. If you are level and doing about 150 kts with flaps 15 approaching the glide slope, as the glide slope comes alive, select gear down. As the G/S is around one dot above, flaps 30 and keep an eye on the speed. The speed bleed to approach speed of let's say 125 to 130 kts should work out just right to see the plane pitch down as the G/S is captured. Make small corrections to the thrust to keep the approach speed of 130 to 125 kts.

The main difference in the 727 and the newer planes (767, 777) is the size of the fan part of the engine. A very small physical movement of the thrust levers on the big fan planes gives you a large thrust change. You may find you will move the thrust levers more distance on the 727 to obtain the desired thrust change. Still, you need to make small actual thrust changes to avoid a pitch change.

I just flew the 727 through several autopilot approaches and even when I was a bit fast with the power changes the plane did pretty well holding the G/S.  Try hand flying the plane through a series of approaches just using raw data from the ADI to hold the G/S (no autopilot) and see how power changes affect the ability to keep the plane on the glide slope. Get the plane on about an eight to ten mile final at the proper approach altitude with flaps 15 and around 150 knots. Save the position/flight so you can repeat the approach over and over until your happy with your performance.

Keep us informed about your progress....  Cool

Lou
  

Processor: Intel Core i7-4770k @3.5Ghz Memory: 6Gb DDR3 1600mhz Video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Storage: 256Gb Samsung 840 Pro | 120Gb OCZ Agility 3 | WD Black 640Gb 7200rpm 55" Samsung LED - HDTV for monitor
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
BrianG
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 205
Joined: Mar 10th, 2011
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #19 - Jun 16th, 2014 at 1:09am
Print Post  
Fly from Portland wrote on Jun 15th, 2014 at 5:40am:
Hi Lou
I have been practicing landings for a few weeks and I'm trying to keep from porpoiseing in the glide slope. Is there any good technique to stop this from happening. Auto GS is the worst for this condition at KJFK. I am pretty sure I am low enough to be under the GS when I capture it. The manual GS usually keeps me at -700 fpm on descent which is what I want. I am starting at 1500 alt and about 8 or 9 miles out from rwy 22R. Any suggestions would be helpful. Undecided


I had porpoising with the 727 A/P pilot as well. Are you using SP2 or are you running Acceleration? When I reinstalled FSX I changed from SP2 to Acceleration and the porpoising problems completely stopped and the AP has been very smooth since. But, as Lou pointed out, incorrect throttle usage can also cause this problem. If you're running SP2 and not Acceleration, that could be the problem. But regardless of SP2 or Acceleration, throttles must be managed with finesse while on GS capture. Just a little insight for you.

cheers,
Brian
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Fly from Portland
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 203
Location: Salem, Oregon
Joined: Apr 24th, 2013
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #20 - Jun 16th, 2014 at 1:41pm
Print Post  
Thanks for the help
I use Acceleration, so my problem was throttle control, now resolved.
Last question for Lou, Rwy 22R the approach to the runway is right to left and it wants to land off to the left on the grass. Instruments keeps the centerline to the left, so do I disconnect AP  before threshold to stay centered? Heading is 222 degrees, according to SimPlate, seems right. Roll Eyes
Marc
  

Marc&&Dell XPS 8300 AMD Radeon HD 6450&&Intel(R)Core(TM) i5-2310 CPU@2.90GHz&&6 GB 64 bit&&&&
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
LOU
Beta Team
*
Offline


727,707,747,757,767=
40years of Boeings

Posts: 1593
Location: Central PA, USA
Joined: Mar 3rd, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #21 - Jun 16th, 2014 at 5:07pm
Print Post  
Marc,

RW 22L where? KJFK?

Anyway, as you know, this is NOT an auto-land plane so you must disconnect and hand fly the plane to a landing. Not sure why the ILS or Plane wants to be off the centerline, but I have seen that before and it was some ad-on scenery I had that was not correct.

The heading that you would put in the HSI window will not cause this as the ILS does not use this information like the VOR. If you put in the wrong heading, the autopilot sees that as a crosswind.

I have acceleration installed.

Lou
  

Processor: Intel Core i7-4770k @3.5Ghz Memory: 6Gb DDR3 1600mhz Video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Storage: 256Gb Samsung 840 Pro | 120Gb OCZ Agility 3 | WD Black 640Gb 7200rpm 55" Samsung LED - HDTV for monitor
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Fly from Portland
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 203
Location: Salem, Oregon
Joined: Apr 24th, 2013
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #22 - Jun 16th, 2014 at 5:52pm
Print Post  
Hi Lou
Yes it is at KJFK, and I do disconnect prior to landing, it is just my timing on this. I have done more practice and I am almost there on the centerline. Do not have any add-on scenery, so that is not an issue.
I think I just have to follow thru on the landing after disconnecting to watch I stay on centerline. Will watch my indicators closely next time and the heading. Have noticed the centerline on different parts of runway has different degrees, so not so easy. Huh
Marc
  

Marc&&Dell XPS 8300 AMD Radeon HD 6450&&Intel(R)Core(TM) i5-2310 CPU@2.90GHz&&6 GB 64 bit&&&&
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Markoz
CS Team
*
Offline



Posts: 12360
Location: Victoria, Australia
Joined: Apr 24th, 2009
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #23 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 2:17am
Print Post  
I'm bad. I disconnect the A/P at arpund 200 feet AGL and fly it the rest of the wsy. I rarely have any trouble with it holding the ILS and it aligning with the centre of the runway.

I have FSX Acceleration too.
  

Mark Fletcher



PC: i7 10700K @3.8/5.1GHz | 64GB DDR4 3200 | 12GB RTX 4070 Super | 32" LCD Monitor | 1TB SSD & 2x2TB SSD | Win 11 Pro - FSX/FSX-SE/P3D3/P3D4/P3D5/P3D6/MSFS2020
15.6" Gaming Laptop: i7 7700HQ | 32GB DDR4 | 6GB GTX 1060 | 256GB SSD & 1TB HDD | Win 10 Pro 64bit - FSX-SE/P3D4
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Fly from Portland
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 203
Location: Salem, Oregon
Joined: Apr 24th, 2013
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #24 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 4:10am
Print Post  
Hi Mark
Try Rwy 22R at KJFK and see if you can hold the centerline, or tell me why I am having trouble with it, I get to the runway ok, then when I go into reverse thrusters I start to veer off. Tough to hold it straight.  Shocked
Marc
  

Marc&&Dell XPS 8300 AMD Radeon HD 6450&&Intel(R)Core(TM) i5-2310 CPU@2.90GHz&&6 GB 64 bit&&&&
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Fly from Portland
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 203
Location: Salem, Oregon
Joined: Apr 24th, 2013
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #25 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 8:31pm
Print Post  
Anybody want to tell me why the LOC freqs at KLGA do not work on FSX.
Especially rwy04, 110.50. NO DME, nothing. Tongue
  

Marc&&Dell XPS 8300 AMD Radeon HD 6450&&Intel(R)Core(TM) i5-2310 CPU@2.90GHz&&6 GB 64 bit&&&&
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Fly from Portland
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 203
Location: Salem, Oregon
Joined: Apr 24th, 2013
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #26 - Jun 19th, 2014 at 2:36am
Print Post  
Okay, I was able to intercept the LOC tonight, still no DME. Guess that might be something that doesn't always happen for the LOC. Happy Landing.  Grin
  

Marc&&Dell XPS 8300 AMD Radeon HD 6450&&Intel(R)Core(TM) i5-2310 CPU@2.90GHz&&6 GB 64 bit&&&&
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Markoz
CS Team
*
Offline



Posts: 12360
Location: Victoria, Australia
Joined: Apr 24th, 2009
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #27 - Jun 19th, 2014 at 10:36am
Print Post  
In Australia, most LOC are not DME. I'm disappointed in it, but it might be like that in real life, so ... it is what it is. Sad
  

Mark Fletcher



PC: i7 10700K @3.8/5.1GHz | 64GB DDR4 3200 | 12GB RTX 4070 Super | 32" LCD Monitor | 1TB SSD & 2x2TB SSD | Win 11 Pro - FSX/FSX-SE/P3D3/P3D4/P3D5/P3D6/MSFS2020
15.6" Gaming Laptop: i7 7700HQ | 32GB DDR4 | 6GB GTX 1060 | 256GB SSD & 1TB HDD | Win 10 Pro 64bit - FSX-SE/P3D4
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Fly from Portland
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 203
Location: Salem, Oregon
Joined: Apr 24th, 2013
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #28 - Jun 19th, 2014 at 9:15pm
Print Post  
Thanks Mark
Now I know in this aircraft to use the VOR freq  of the airport in the 2nd Nav radio for my DME. I think this should work to know how far out I am from runway. Smiley
  

Marc&&Dell XPS 8300 AMD Radeon HD 6450&&Intel(R)Core(TM) i5-2310 CPU@2.90GHz&&6 GB 64 bit&&&&
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Ahmad
Full Member
*
Offline


classic lover

Posts: 25
Location: Jordan
Joined: Mar 14th, 2014
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #29 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 8:22am
Print Post  
Thanks a lot  Smiley .
  

&&
Back to top
IP Logged
 
DontSync
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 28
Joined: Oct 6th, 2015
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #30 - Oct 7th, 2015 at 8:56am
Print Post  
Good tutorial  Smiley
  


Steam ID: CrookedKat
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Haseen
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 12
Location: Bangladesh
Joined: Jul 9th, 2016
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #31 - Jul 11th, 2016 at 3:09pm
Print Post  
Dear: During climb after takeoff the pitch up of 727-100 was around 10 deg. But when I engaged AP, the pitch angle goes down and the plane becomes uncontrollable. I have to disengage AP, fly for sometime manually and then again engage AP, after that it becomes okay. Why at first attempt nose is going down?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
David Paul
Senior Member
*
Offline



Posts: 270
Joined: Dec 25th, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #32 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 8:21am
Print Post  
Are you using the flight director?   I get a nosedive if I have the flight director on when I first activate the autopilot!
  


I5-6600K @4.2 GHZ | GTX-1070 | 32GB RAM | Windows 7/10 Dual Boot on SSD and M.2
FSX-Acceleration | P3D 4.5 | MSFS 2020
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Haseen
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 12
Location: Bangladesh
Joined: Jul 9th, 2016
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #33 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 9:12am
Print Post  
David:

Yes, I am using FD, preset pitch up 11 deg.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
David Paul
Senior Member
*
Offline



Posts: 270
Joined: Dec 25th, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #34 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 5:34pm
Print Post  
Try it without the flight director.  Make sure the plane is trimmed and it should hold pitch when you turn on the AP.
  


I5-6600K @4.2 GHZ | GTX-1070 | 32GB RAM | Windows 7/10 Dual Boot on SSD and M.2
FSX-Acceleration | P3D 4.5 | MSFS 2020
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Haseen
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 12
Location: Bangladesh
Joined: Jul 9th, 2016
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #35 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 10:36am
Print Post  
Dear David:

The actual procedure is to preset take off pitch with FD... Is that a bug in CS727 v2.7? Are they going to correct it?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
David Paul
Senior Member
*
Offline



Posts: 270
Joined: Dec 25th, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #36 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 4:56pm
Print Post  
Perhaps it was fixed in SP 2.7, but it has been a longstanding issue, at least for me.   If I use the FD on takeoff and engage the AP after trimming, I get a nose-dive.  Without the FD, I do not get a nosedive.
  


I5-6600K @4.2 GHZ | GTX-1070 | 32GB RAM | Windows 7/10 Dual Boot on SSD and M.2
FSX-Acceleration | P3D 4.5 | MSFS 2020
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
TexanAviate
New Member
Offline



Posts: 2
Location: Texas
Joined: Feb 21st, 2013
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #37 - Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:29pm
Print Post  
Lou, your tutorial is a life saver my friend. I was able to shoot my very first ILS landing in the 727! Love it love it!  Grin
  

Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
LOU
Beta Team
*
Offline


727,707,747,757,767=
40years of Boeings

Posts: 1593
Location: Central PA, USA
Joined: Mar 3rd, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #38 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:32pm
Print Post  
Thank you, glad it made your flying the 727 all the more fun!
It was a great plane to fly!!!

Lou
  

Processor: Intel Core i7-4770k @3.5Ghz Memory: 6Gb DDR3 1600mhz Video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Storage: 256Gb Samsung 840 Pro | 120Gb OCZ Agility 3 | WD Black 640Gb 7200rpm 55" Samsung LED - HDTV for monitor
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
panam707
Full Member
*
Offline



Posts: 5
Joined: Dec 12th, 2020
Re: Autopilot use - tutorial by Lou
Reply #39 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 7:37pm
Print Post  
Hey!

So if the AUTO GS requires a capture of the glideslope from below, can I use MANUAL GS to get the AC onto the glideslope from above if I'm coming in high? And then SWITCH to AUTO GS for the combined ILS beam approach once the GS is captured? I have been trying to figure this out -- the ILS on the 727 is much less forgiving to use than on the 707 Captain, which somehow gets me onto the ILS approach nicely almost every time. With the 727, there seems to be less of an easy transition. Any tips would  be appreciated here.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 
Send TopicPrint
 
  « Board Index ‹ Board  ^Top