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CS B707
Jul 5th, 2011 at 4:33pm
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I had the FS9 B707, but my new FSX B707 and C add-on is beautiful.
When Braniff operated the B707 in the early '60s' there was a certain smell.  I miss that era, but the CS B707 brings me back in time.
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Reply #1 - Jul 5th, 2011 at 5:41pm
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I worked in Pan Am Res in DEN in the 60s and there was a story that went around about Harding Lawrence. Apparently he had an apartment built over the hangar in DEN and a couple times he showed up on BN airplanes at night in his pajamas and would just sit down in any empty seat in FCL! I think the BN sales rep told me that.

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Reply #2 - Jul 7th, 2011 at 1:04am
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Didn't Braniff operate the Concorde on some domestic routes too?
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 7th, 2011 at 2:42am
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Don't think so. The Concorde, BA and AF, flew only out of IAD and JFK trans Atlantic --- far as I can remember.

In the 60s PAA had a flt (058) that originated in DFW and went ORD/LHR. BN flew the DFW/ORD segment as PAA didn't have domestic rights. They called it cabotage internationally.

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Reply #4 - Jul 7th, 2011 at 3:11am
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Most people only relate the "odd" Paris/London to/from New York routes to Concorde, but she did far more than that and also on a regular basis. They've just reduced her to these main routes later on, while the charter branch took all kinds of destinations into account, including the world tours.

But Braniff was indeed an operator of Concorde, I think in both (AF/BA) colours but with a complete Braniff crew. For over a year they were running that service.
They even mentioned it here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braniff_International_Airways
That's a special thing since the routes did not include any supersonic stage at at all.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 7th, 2011 at 1:28pm
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Well, I'll be dipped! I simply do not remember BN having anything to do with the Concorde! In 1979 I was running the largest travel agency in Colorado and don't remember ever hearing about it, though I must have at least read about it at some point. Strange. The Wikipedia article says they even "owned" the ac while flying between DFW and the east coast! That's even more bizarre! But then BN was a different sort of animal --- especially with Harding Lawrence in charge.

I was the guest of BA on the Concorde in the early 80s and flew it from IAD to LHR on a Halloween night. There were about 12 passengers on board. Best meal I have ever had on an airplane. Ate and drank from block to block --- 3.5 hours. When we got out over international waters they went super sonic and the acceleration literally compressed you into the seat. There was a Mach Counter on the bulkhead and it read .99 - 1.02 - .98 - 1.00 etc the whole trip. The ocean was so far down that it was a solid dark blue and it almost seemed the ac was upside down and you were looking at the sky thru those little windows. Great experience!
  
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Re: CS B707
Reply #6 - Jul 7th, 2011 at 2:43pm
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Braniff, along with Singapore Airlines had a short-term lease on the Concorde, but Concorde was no-good domestic, since supersonic flight is banned (other than military/space shuttle)  in the U.S
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 7th, 2011 at 7:19pm
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btscott wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 1:28pm:
I was the guest of BA on the Concorde in the early 80s and flew it from IAD to LHR on a Halloween night.

Wasn't a cheap experience I guess. With that passenger load, for both sides.  Grin

Regarding Braniff, I don't know why they did that. I own more than one book about that period and if there is a main tenor, it states that they wanted to gain operating experience on the ship. Well, they did and their crews got trained on it, but trying a commercial service in the most cost ineffective regime of the lady (which is everything below M1.4) while other companies are running the equally or larger sized low-cost birds is sort of insane.
Do that over a year (which they did) and your bank won't be happy about it.

You are limited to M0.95 over land, so you may be somehow faster when it comes to distance, but those short routes and all the departure/arrival stuff included render the time reduction close to nil, while the fuel flows like dumped there.

High ticket prices, same time to travel as the slow-mos and the wow effect of Concorde as the only attraction don't make good business, as proven there.
But just another chapter of the operation history, involving numerous reasons, background stories and facts.

Peter mentions Singapore Airlines. They even ran a half livery on the corresponding birds, so BA/SA was visible. I wouldn't call it beautiful, but unique.  Grin
They also went supersonic first, until some regulations took over a part of the planned route.
Ah, so many stories about regulations alone to tell. Big ol' money/political business aviation is.

By the way, there's a reason why every modern SST model aims to go for 90.000+ft and that reason isn't just about speed.
If those planes ever happen? There's a big gap to fill since Concorde services ended in my eyes, so I'm hoping/wishing of course, as a fan, regardless of the airline itself.  Roll Eyes

Me is sorry to go a bit off topic though, the thread was about the Braniff 707 of course. I just came across that name since a story is attached to it.
  
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Re: CS B707
Reply #8 - Jul 7th, 2011 at 9:20pm
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Braniff was a very cool airline. Very forward thinking.
The airline was founded in 1930 by the brothers Tom and Paul Braniff.
In the 70s they even had Alexander Calder paint a design on their planes.




I was an instructor in the B-747 and TWA needed more sim time so they rented the Brannif 747 sim in Dallas.
Braniff had one of the finest training centers I have ever seen.
It beat American Airlines hands down.
BTW, AA is responsible for putting Braniff out of business in the mid eighties.

The Braniff training center was called Braniff House.
It was a complete operation with their own hotel, gym, pool and restaurant.
Their sims were state-of-the-art in the early 80's.
Their 747 was called "Big Orange" and it was that - all orange indeed.
Too bad they did not make it.







Here is one plane I would love to see CS make...




Lou

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Re: CS B707
Reply #9 - Jul 11th, 2011 at 1:46am
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Geez, I don't know if I should miss those 'orange times' or if I just wonder how mankind could ever survive this phase.
I mean, the orange exterior is one thing, but that orange cabin in times where 'I'm on a trip' had at least two meanings are hard to take in 2011.  Grin
Thanks for those views, Lou.

By the way, I think I can see my parents on that photo.
  
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