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...there was a 2D panel as well.
Apr 24th, 2011 at 7:33am
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Yes, some people don't like VCs at all, and i *REALLY* hope there is a 2D panel on this triple seven. I instantly purchased the 777 exterior model the moment i saw it (wow, was i waiting for a 777 for FSX!) like i did when the 707 was out and it was a major deception for me not having a 2D panel back then, please don't make me suffer now  Grin

I hope there is a 2D panel on the 777, it would be so so so perfect. Thank you Captain Sim for delivering such a great aircraft to the community.
  
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Re: ...there was a 2D panel as well.
Reply #1 - May 4th, 2011 at 8:05am
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Unfortunately there will be no 2D panel.
  
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Re: ...there was a 2D panel as well.
Reply #2 - May 4th, 2011 at 12:26pm
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NaMcO wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 7:33am:
Yes, some people don't like VCs at all, and i *REALLY* hope there is a 2D panel on this triple seven. I instantly purchased the 777 exterior model the moment i saw it (wow, was i waiting for a 777 for FSX!) like i did when the 707 was out and it was a major deception for me not having a 2D panel back then, please don't make me suffer now  Grin

I hope there is a 2D panel on the 777, it would be so so so perfect. Thank you Captain Sim for delivering such a great aircraft to the community.



Why do you like 2-D panels so much? The VC is much better, more realistic and the 2-D panel is horribel for flying, you have hardly any depth perception now that the FS is as good as real life.
  

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Reply #3 - May 8th, 2011 at 11:58am
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Oh well, no 2D panel just put me 50% off  Sad

I enjoy 2D panels so much because i have all the instruments i need right at my disposal, instantly. I know there are addons for mouse movement and the such, but i just don't like the way it works (the 3D panels i mean).

3D panels are much more realistic and yes, they DO look much better, but functionality is very limited (my opinion) because i have to keep moving around the cockipt just to press a button sometimes, when i need to do it really quick. 2D panels, like i said above, have everything you need in front of your eyes, and you can switch view really fast to overhead or side panels.

These ofcourse are just opinions, i fly the 707 in FSX with the 3D panel - no other option - but if there was a 2D panel, i wouldn't touch the 3D unless while cruising "just for the realistic feel".

Shame, but keep it up, i will surely purchase it, just not as happy as with your previous 767-757 planes  Embarrassed

And... THANK YOU once again for picking up the 777, an incredible aircraft.
  
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Reply #4 - May 8th, 2011 at 5:19pm
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I also prefer 2D panel. It gives me steady instruments panel. VC /3D maybe  in future. More developers are for VC panels, it is not complicated/sophisticated as 2D panels. I can understand for  quick turn around. 2D is time consuming .
  
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Re: ...there was a 2D panel as well.
Reply #5 - May 8th, 2011 at 6:29pm
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How is the VC not as complicated as 2-D panels? If you haven't seen, the 2-D panels don't actually look exactly like the cockpit should with easy access to everything just by looking. You guys should try teh TrackIR.
  

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Reply #6 - May 10th, 2011 at 4:40am
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If they add views to each section of the VC (an overhead view, center pedestal view, glareshield view, etc...) there isn't really a need for a 2D panel. One thing I will say in defense of 2D panels is that in the 767, some of the buttons on the overhead panel (such as the fuel pumps) can't be pressed in the VC, so I have to use the 2D overhead panel. However, I don't really see any need for a 2D panel of the primary flight display, HSI, and such.
  

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Re: ...there was a 2D panel as well.
Reply #7 - May 10th, 2011 at 6:24am
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boeing247 wrote on May 10th, 2011 at 4:40am:
If they add views to each section of the VC (an overhead view, center pedestal view, glareshield view, etc...) there isn't really a need for a 2D panel. One thing I will say in defense of 2D panels is that in the 767, some of the buttons on the overhead panel (such as the fuel pumps) can't be pressed in the VC, so I have to use the 2D overhead panel. However, I don't really see any need for a 2D panel of the primary flight display, HSI, and such.

What buttons can't be pressed in the 767 VC, but can in the 2D OH Panel? All of the switches/buttons that I can use with the 2D OH Panel, can be controlled on the VC overhead, in mine. Besides that, there is nothing wrong if a person prefers to use 2D Panels instead of the VC. Personally, though, I prefer to use the VC and not 2D Panels. The problem for the others is that 2D Panels are being left out of a lot of, but not all, new add-on aircraft.

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Reply #8 - May 12th, 2011 at 6:08pm
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boeing247 wrote on May 10th, 2011 at 4:40am:
If they add views to each section of the VC (an overhead view, center pedestal view, glareshield view, etc...) there isn't really a need for a 2D panel. One thing I will say in defense of 2D panels is that in the 767, some of the buttons on the overhead panel (such as the fuel pumps) can't be pressed in the VC, so I have to use the 2D overhead panel. However, I don't really see any need for a 2D panel of the primary flight display, HSI, and such.


Yeah i tend to agree with this. As long as i can reach all the controls quickly like on a real aircraft, i don't really need the 2D panel and i can experience the better "as real as it gets" 3D panels offer.
  
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Re: ...there was a 2D panel as well.
Reply #9 - May 17th, 2011 at 10:58pm
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I would also like to see a 2D_Panel.

So the questions that I have, is why not include a full function 2D_Panel? Is it really that difficult to make a 2d panel in comparison to a 3d panel?

Yes, there is some realism with a 3d panel, but I would have to say there is some realism with a 2d panel also.  With a 2d panel you see and operate switches with out zooming and panning around the cockpit with a camara.  Zooming and panning around the cockpit with a camara does seem to remove some of the realism in a FS 3d cockpit.  In other words, in a real cockpit a camara is not used to zoom in and out on guages.

In addition, I have noticed better frame rates with a 2dpanel compared to 3d.

Just to be clear, I am not suggesting to eliminate the 3d but rather suggesting to build a full and complete packaged aircraft. There are some who still enjoy flying a FS aircraft with a 2d panel also.



  
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Reply #10 - May 20th, 2011 at 1:18am
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I would also miss a 2d cockpit usually hard to adjust settings in vc, just my thoughts.

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Reply #11 - May 24th, 2011 at 9:01am
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Since we're not getting a 2D panel, the least that could (maybe) be done, is ask Captain Sim if...

"Can you give us a 3D panel view that resembles the 2D cockpit?"

...like this, we could see and reach all necessary switches quickly while maintaining the high quality visuals that a 3D panel provides.

An overall view of the 3D panel, slightly zoomed in and moved to the left, just like a 2D panel. I know you will probably be able to do this yourself, but having the view predefined for quick access would be much better.

Just my 2 cents to try and "fix" this... "flaw"  Tongue
  
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Re: ...there was a 2D panel as well.
Reply #12 - May 24th, 2011 at 2:26pm
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2D panel is very usefull when you are into actual flight procedures, doesn't have to be exact gauges or buttons to be right on the money. At least there is an option to flight prep on 2D and then use VC when you are flying. That comment about the VC is more realistic, what more realistic about that? you are looking at the plane with no one in it. Virtual your way to the back of the plane and you don't see any passengers. Is like a ghost plane......
All you have is the detail of the inside a plane and not a lot of the flight dynamic and the general characteristic of the B777 as a flight simulator.

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Re: ...there was a 2D panel as well.
Reply #13 - May 25th, 2011 at 9:01pm
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I am one of those who like 2D panels. Why ? Simply because I am builing a home cockpit. The 2D panels can be "customised" and displayed on differents screens. And an other screen (and later 4 videoprojectors) is used for ouside view.
With a 3D Cockpit, it is impossible to use this kind of cockpit...
Here are some pictures of my cockpit, here with a customised panel for EMB 120.  I had no pictures with the Captain Sim B 757, but I have customised for myself the 2D panels, and it is really a pleasure to fly it with 2D panels in this cockpit, with a FMC. Sure, I have to use the mouse dor some parts, but with only 3D Cockpit, it would be impossible.
It is why I now only buy planes add-ons with 2D panels, even if I really find 3D Cockpit splendids ! They are beautiful, but I can't use them...






  

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Re: ...there was a 2D panel as well.
Reply #14 - May 31st, 2011 at 2:25am
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Excuse me but after reading the above posts, am I understanding that there will not be a 2D panel with this A/C? I do hope that is NOT what I understand.

  

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