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Reply #75 - Apr 5th, 2011 at 6:15pm
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Well now that Pan Am and TWA are gone forever, we've got the other big names like Continental and United together and Delta and Northwest together making two big airlines which now rule the American skies. Hopefully Southwest's 737 fleet gets grounded and they get massive fines for not properly aintaining their aircraft, which was totally unacceptable.

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Reply #76 - Apr 5th, 2011 at 8:04pm
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PJ747, I think it would be wise to wait for the investigation to finish before you make any personal attacks on Southwest wouldn't it?? Personally, I quite like them....There a bit different, you know??

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Reply #77 - Apr 5th, 2011 at 8:20pm
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Perfect chain of event description there, Lou. Thanks for that interesting reading, although it sadly covers a loss of lives.

Can't think of any more worse circumstances when talking about plane crashes (except for terrorist attacks maybe): Telling the wife and the children the truth about the cause of this accident when they are asking about what lead to the crash.
"There actually wasn't anything wrong with the plane".  Undecided

Sadly, the reports of e. g. the NTSB are full of such things which gives the whole human factor thing in aviation some more importance in my eyes.
So the aircraft designers always have to fight at least two enemies. The malfunction of systems and the misinterpretation of circumstances and wrong prioritization by the human mind when being in stressful situations.

I know that you are talking about all that "sissy" stuff from time to time, but I don't doubt that the human factors issue gets underestimated from your side.
Do you remember when the training on those things started in the airlines?
For instance, there must have been a day when the TWA CEO announced that some "practical psychology" is now part of all crew training efforts, am I right?
  
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Reply #78 - Apr 5th, 2011 at 10:56pm
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A few years back they were fined $7.2 Million for not properly inspecting their aircraft. Southwest's problems aren't finished. I think the Feds will get them this time.
  

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Reply #79 - Apr 5th, 2011 at 11:50pm
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CoolP wrote: I know that you are talking about all that "sissy" stuff from time to time, but I don't doubt that the human factors issue gets underestimated from your side.
Do you remember when the training on those things started in the airlines?
For instance, there must have been a day when the TWA CEO announced that some "practical psychology" is now part of all crew training efforts, am I right?


You are so right. In the early days of flying the Captain was the final word in all things. This was really bad if the Captain would not take advice from a lower ranking crew member and with arrogance would kill everyone on the plane because good information was dismissed since the Captain is the Captain by God!

I remember from the first day of training at TWA one of the daily classes was called - SAFETY. It was sober look at past crashes and what causes could be understood from the incident, and then how to avoid them in the future. This class slowly morphed into a whole new way of looking at the command structure in the cockpit. The result was CRM - Cockpit Resource Management. This concept was adopted by almost all crew members and expanded to include the rest of the cabin team and indeed the whole team of dispatch and other parts of the airline structure. In a short time the rate of incidents and crashes started to decline - the effect was palpable.

Just last month I was on a cruise ship and was introduced to the Captain who gave me a tour of his operation. One of the things he told me was that even the last hold out of the "Captain has the last word" -world, now all ship Captains and crew also practice CRM.

Sad Shocked Huh Angry

On another posted subject by pj747... nzaviationrules is correct when he says it would be wise to wait for the investigation before dumping on one carrier. The fact is ALL the airlines have some closet doors, that if opened would reveal unsavory activity at some time. This is a time, IMHO to make haste slowly.


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Reply #80 - Apr 5th, 2011 at 11:58pm
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Hey Lou, did you only fly Boeing planes or did you fly the L-1011's or Douglas's as well?
  

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Reply #81 - Apr 6th, 2011 at 2:56am
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Thanks Lou-- It will be interesting to see if they (FAA) do find anything incriminating-- I hope not.... I also just see Air New Zealand are inspecting their 14 733's, which is a little closer to home. But I would hope this is mandatory if an incident like fatigue cracking happens to the same a/c type anywhere in the world. I also read it was an "unexpected area for this sort of damage to occur" as someone at Southwest said, anyhow.

A quick question for you Lou(if you have time to answer-you seem a popular guy here!!)- Have you ever flown into/out of New Zealand?? I am in flight training part time(school takes priority for now) and was interested in whether you might have flown here before-especially if it was into Christchurch!!

And to anybody who knows.. and to save me googling it.. Do Southwest outsource their maintenance??

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Reply #82 - Apr 6th, 2011 at 3:21pm
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I only flew Boeing planes in the airlines.

I have only flown to NZ in Flight Sim... on another note I did notice that NZ was raising their threat level from baaa to BAAA!  Grin

Don't know about the outsourcing of maintenance at SW, but most airlines have a portion of their work done outside by a contractor or other airline. This is not just a SW problem, it's just that they fly so many short cycle flights.

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Reply #83 - Apr 6th, 2011 at 3:45pm
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Isn't NZ the largest sheep place in the world?
  

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Reply #84 - Apr 6th, 2011 at 3:59pm
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The population (~4.4 million) of New Zealand is almost 1/10 of the amount (~40 million) of sheep.

This leads to LOTS of jokes regarding Kiwis (New Zealanders) and sheep.  Grin

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Reply #85 - Apr 6th, 2011 at 7:14pm
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I feel quite touched.... you two from America know we exist all the way down at the bottom of the world!!And yes PJ747 we are the sheep place.

And yes Mark, I have plenty of jokes about Aussie- I shall wait for the right moment to unleash them!! Smiley Smiley

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Reply #86 - Apr 6th, 2011 at 11:29pm
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I love those Foster's Commercials about how to speak Australian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXwRLaEM0Gs&feature=related
  

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Reply #87 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 1:15am
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701151 wrote on Apr 6th, 2011 at 11:29pm:
I love those Foster's Commercials about how to speak Australian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXwRLaEM0Gs&feature=related

Nice advertisement. The only time I drink Fosters is when I'm overseas. Fosters "Light Ice" is the beer I drink when at home. Personally though, my favorite drink is Bundy and Coke (Bundaberg Rum with Coca-Cola). But my favorite rum is Tanduay, which costs about $0.75 - $1 a bottle, but it costs over $AUD1200 to go to where I buy it.

@nzaviationrules. You're so mean. Here I am, refraining from telling jokes about Kiwis, and you wanting to unleash jokes about Aussies. I only use them on about them with my English (born)/New Zealand (bred) mate who visits regularly.

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Reply #88 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 2:30am
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This one is for Joe....

Two NZ guys are walking through the woods and come across this big deep
hole. "Wow...that looks deep."

"Sure does... toss a few pebbles in there and see how deep it is."

They pick up a few pebbles and throw them in and wait... no noise.

"Jeeez. That is REALLY deep... here.. throw one of these great big rocks
down there. Those should make a noise."

They pick up a couple football-sized rocks and toss them into the hole
and wait... and wait. Nothing.

They look at each other in amazement. One gets a determined look on his
face and says, "Hey...over here in the weeds, there's a
railroad tie. Help me carry it over here. When we toss THAT sucker in,
it's GOTTA make some noise."

The two men drag the heavy tie over to the hole and heave it in. Not a
sound comes from the hole.

Suddenly, out of the nearby woods, a sheep appears, running like the
wind. It rushes toward the two men, then right past them,
running as fast as it's legs will carry it. Suddenly it leaps in the air
and into the hole.

The two men are astonished with what they've just seen...
Then, out of the woods comes a farmer who spots the men and ambles over.

Hey... you two guys seen my sheep out here?

You bet we did! Craziest thing I ever seen! It came running like crazy
and just jumped into this hole!

Nah, says the farmer, That couldn't have been MY sheep. My sheep was
chained to a railroad tie.
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Reply #89 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 3:41am
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That is actually alot more in depth of a joke Lou than I have ever heard about NZers and sheep before-usually it's just "sheep shaggers!!" and the cackle of an Australian laugh-- Sorry Mark, but aussies and kiwis just like to think we hate each other. Where did you get that joke from btw Lou??
  
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