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Reply #1845 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 6:48am
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JayG wrote on Feb 26th, 2011 at 4:54pm:
" who are the best pilots then? Fighter guys or tubeliner folks? "

I'm sure most have heard this before, but for those that havent....

A F16 was escorting a C 130 on a long flight and got bored so he pulled in front of the 130, got on the radio and said 'Watch this!' He then did a couple of ailerons rolls, pulled vertical, did a loop around the 130, then pulled up along side again with a huge grin on his face, and asked the 130 pilots what they thought about that.

Not to be outdone, the 130 captain said 'watch THIS!' For 5 minutes the F16 pilot sat there but nothing happened. Finally the 130 pilot came back on the radio and asked the 16 pilot what he thought. He said he didnt see anything, what was so special? The 130 pilot replied.......

"I got up from my seat, walked back to the galley, had a drink and a nice lunch, stretched my legs, and visited the head, and had a smoke, what do you think about that?"

Not another word was spoken on the radio   Smiley


That is dangerous and exciting. Smiley
  
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Reply #1846 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 8:57am
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JayG wrote on Feb 26th, 2011 at 4:54pm:
" who are the best pilots then? Fighter guys or tubeliner folks? "

I'm sure most have heard this before, but for those that havent....

A F16 was escorting a C 130 on a long flight and got bored so he pulled in front of the 130, got on the radio and said 'Watch this!' He then did a couple of ailerons rolls, pulled vertical, did a loop around the 130, then pulled up along side again with a huge grin on his face, and asked the 130 pilots what they thought about that.

Not to be outdone, the 130 captain said 'watch THIS!' For 5 minutes the F16 pilot sat there but nothing happened. Finally the 130 pilot came back on the radio and asked the 16 pilot what he thought. He said he didnt see anything, what was so special? The 130 pilot replied.......

"I got up from my seat, walked back to the galley, had a drink and a nice lunch, stretched my legs, and visited the head, and had a smoke, what do you think about that?"

Not another word was spoken on the radio   Smiley


For me it's the fighter guys.
  
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Reply #1847 - Jan 19th, 2019 at 3:43pm
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Well, it had to happen...  Sad

The last of the 727's are being retired.

Iran Aseman Airlines historic flight: The last scheduled passenger service on a Boeing 727 :

http://www.traveller.com.au/iran-aseman-airlines-historic-flight-the-last-schedu...
  
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Reply #1848 - Jan 19th, 2019 at 5:00pm
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I guess that's progress. So sad.  Cry
  

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Reply #1849 - Jan 26th, 2019 at 2:43am
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JayG wrote on Feb 26th, 2011 at 4:54pm:
" who are the best pilots then? Fighter guys or tubeliner folks? "

I'm sure most have heard this before, but for those that havent....

A F16 was escorting a C 130 on a long flight and got bored so he pulled in front of the 130, got on the radio and said 'Watch this!' He then did a couple of ailerons rolls, pulled vertical, did a loop around the 130, then pulled up along side again with a huge grin on his face, and asked the 130 pilots what they thought about that.

Not to be outdone, the 130 captain said 'watch THIS!' For 5 minutes the F16 pilot sat there but nothing happened. Finally the 130 pilot came back on the radio and asked the 16 pilot what he thought. He said he didnt see anything, what was so special? The 130 pilot replied.......

"I got up from my seat, walked back to the galley, had a drink and a nice lunch, stretched my legs, and visited the head, and had a smoke, what do you think about that?"

Not another word was spoken on the radio   Smiley


Well, that 130 pilot was kinda brave xD
  
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Reply #1850 - Jan 30th, 2019 at 11:51am
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During the time I was based in West Berlin in the late 80's, we would fly the three corridors in the 727 to different cities in West Germany. You had to be careful to stay in the center of the airway so as to not violate airspace. Many times a Russian fighter jet would slide up next to us and we would wave to each other.

One time, a Russian fighter jet flew up on our left side and there was an exchange of hand gestures that in one of the signs looked like "hey, you guys are number one!" Well, it was a one finger gesture. The Russian fighter was only a few hundred feet off our left side when our flight engineer got up from his seat and went over to the left rear cockpit window and dropped his pants and mooned the fighter pilot. You could see the Russian laugh and give us a "thumbs up." He then hit the AB, pulled up and disappeared.
  
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Reply #1851 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 1:07pm
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Hi guys,

I've been reading the whole thread and I just want to give a big thank you to all involved especially to Capt. Lou for sharing his experiences, simply fascinating. Thank you.

Pedro
  

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Reply #1852 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 7:09pm
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Mark,
When you have a chance, send me an e-mail.
I have tried to send you one a few weeks back.
Lou
  
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Reply #1853 - Feb 19th, 2019 at 12:25am
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Email sent Lou.

Sorry for the delay, but I was in hospital for almost a week. Nothing serious, mind you, just for some tests, and seeing a pain specialist who wanted to make some changes to my pain medication (so he could keep me under obsivation for any side effects).
  

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Reply #1854 - Feb 19th, 2019 at 11:44am
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Markoz wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 12:25am:
Email sent Lou.

Sorry for the delay, but I was in hospital for almost a week. Nothing serious, mind you, just for some tests, and seeing a pain specialist who wanted to make some changes to my pain medication (so he could keep me under obsivation for any side effects).


A speedy recovery, Mark.

Cheers
  

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Reply #1855 - Mar 21st, 2019 at 9:27pm
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Yseterday (21 March 2019), my wife and I had the pleasure of meeting Lou, and his wife, when the cruise ship they are on (the Viking Sun) visited Geelong (Victoria, Australia) for the day.

We were given a tour of the beautiful ship, and had a lovely lunch in one of the restaurants on board. The crew were courteous, and very helpful, and I was very surprised to see that the ship was more like a 5 star hotel, than a ship!

I also had the great fortune to watch Lou fly the Captain Sim 757 III, from Sydney (YSSY), past the Sydney Opera House, then fly under the Sydney Harbour Bridge, before climbing and then returning to land at SYD. Lou also did a couple of short replays during the flight, just to show how some maneuvers looked in an external view. This was a personal demonstration, of the type of things Lou does, when he gives his talks on the ship, with regards to being a commercial pilot. As a part of the tour, we visited the conference room (I forget what Lou called the huge room (theatre?)).

Lou also gives night talks about astronomy on the ship, which would be awesome when you are far out to sea, with no city lights, or smog to interfere with the view of the stars.


Group photo - after lunch (left to right, Mark (me), my wife, Lou's wife, and Lou)


Lou and myself on the cabin balcony - a balcony on a ship. Who would have thought the cabin would a balcony?


Another group photo - on one of the ship's tenders, heading back to Geelong Yacht Club.

We had a great time, although time passed so fast and it was over too soon.
  

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Reply #1856 - Mar 22nd, 2019 at 4:14pm
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Markoz wrote on Mar 21st, 2019 at 9:27pm:
Yseterday (21 March 2019), my wife and I had the pleasure of meeting Lou, and his wife, when the cruise ship they are on (the Viking Sun) visited Geelong (Victoria, Australia) for the day.

What a small world! Smiley
  
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Reply #1857 - Mar 23rd, 2019 at 7:45am
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YES! it really is a very small world, but with so many good people for friends the world becomes a wonderful place.

You should see Mark as he danced around the keyboard on my computer to show me so many cool tricks. He is truly amazing with the computer.

I am so glad to have had the good fortune to be able to meet-up with Mark and his wife after all these years of e-mails.

When I demonstrate the CS 757 to a theater full of people you should see the reaction to the total immersion as I fly around the various airports along our route. The way the computer image is displayed in the theater on this ship is a large super high definition wall (almost 40' X 16' ) of LED's, not a projector. You really feel as if you are in the cockpit with me as I fly around the various cities along our cruise. Even the audio in the theater is surround sound.

Thanks Mark for up-loading photos of your visit.

I loved you car's #plate - MARKOZ!  Very Cool!

I'll try to keep the "Lou stories" coming in the future.

Lou   
  
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Reply #1858 - Apr 19th, 2019 at 9:04am
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Subject: Houston Amazon 767 Crash 23 Feb 19

Got from a friend. Not sure of the validity of the report.

Just FYI… we’ve heard the full cockpit audio and seen the data.  Here’s what really happened (name redacted to protect the innocent!):

During the approach, at about 6,000 FT (being flown by the first officer), the Captain reached around the throttle quadrant to extend the flaps to the next position after being called to do so by the first officer (pilot flying)… very normal. 

In many aircraft including the 767, that’s a very odd/difficult repositioning of your hand (from the left seat, all the way around to the right side of the center console), and requires intimate familiarity and slow deliberate motion to do successfully.

Well in any case, it was not done so this time.  The captain accidentally hit the “go around” switch while bringing his hand around for the flaps, which brought both engines up to full power.  In the landing configuration, as this aircraft was transitioning into, that obviously causes a vast increase in lift… and the first officer (pilot flying) used everything he had to force the nose back down. 

Still not sure why that occurred, as the crew should have just “gone around” and tried it again when properly configured…or just override or disconnect the auto-throttles, but they did not.  And that started in motion a chain of events that lead to tragedy.

As the First Officer over-rotated downward, again with the engines at full power, the aircraft quickly accelerated and approached something we’re all trained to handle (at least in good training environments)… an “upset recovery”, countered by NON-AUTOMATION and basic “stick and rudder skills”. 

This captain however, in turn, grabbed the controls without using positive command (“I’ve got”, “My aircraft”, or anything normally done), and countered the F/O’s control input by completely hauling his control column full aft… remember, while the F/O is pushing full forward.

In the process of doing that, he broke the “shear pin” on his control column (a device/mechanical safety interlock used to separate a control column from the “innards” of the control architecture in the event one control column is doing something it should not)… and that occurred here.

The captain, a few seconds later, now accelerating downward out of the control envelope of the 767 (remember, all of this started at 6000 FT and probably took less time to get to the fatal point than it did to read this far), recognizes the has no control column and then asks the F/O to pull up, get the nose up, or something to that affect.  It isn’t 100% clear what he says.

The F/O then tries to pull aft on his column (going from full forward to full aft), but isn’t getting the response he needs, because the aircraft is out of the envelope of controllability and the controls are “air-loaded” in position.

At about 2000 FT, eventually the trim motors are able to start overcoming the air-load, and the aircraft begins to attempt to arrest its rate of descent… but alas it’s far too little, far too late, and the aircraft impacts about 30-40 degrees nose down, with what is believed to be about 4-5000 FT / minute rate of descent.

All during this time the throttles aren’t touched until somewhere during that last few seconds of flight… which is believed to be what enabled the trim motors to start working.  Unclear who does it, and no audio indicates who it was.

Just FYI… we’ve attempted in our 767 simulators to recover from the event with the exact same setup, and thus far we’ve only had success when starting at 8000’ or higher… meaning we are fully established in the “out of control” position at 8000’, recognize it by then, and initiate recovery starting at 8000’. 

These guys started the whole thing at 6000’ and were much lower when a true recovery attempt was initiated.  No chance, and just shows you how quickly you can get “out of the envelope” when you don’t follow procedure, try some completely erroneous recovery technique, and don’t have a clue what you’re doing.

So many things went wrong with crew coordination, basic flying skills, aircraft envelope awareness, basic procedures, and such… that this will likely go down as one of the absolute worst “pilot error” events ever. 

This accident no doubt was absolutely horrible, and three people lost their lives…one of them (the jump seater) through absolutely no fault of his own. But making an approach into Houston, TX, it could have been so much worse.  In another few miles, they would have been over major population centers and who knows what would have happened then.

Know your aircraft.  Know your procedures.  And for goodness'  sakes, just FLY!  It’s not a video game!
  
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