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Reply #90 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 3:54am
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"sheep shaggers!!"and the cackle of an Australian laugh

* Markoz is ROFLMAO  Grin Grin Grin Cheesy
  

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Reply #91 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 5:05am
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Hehe glad to see you like it Mark Wink Wink I have learnt to laugh at my own expense hahahaha!! Grin Grin
  
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Reply #92 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 5:28pm
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An Australian ventriloquist visiting New Zealand, walks into a small village and sees a local sitting on his porch patting his dog. He figures he'll have a little fun.

Ventriloquist: "G'day Mate! Good looking dog, mind if I speak to him?"
Villager: "The dog doesn't talk, you stupid Aussie."
Ventriloquist: "Hello dog, how's it going mate?"
Dog: "Doin' all right"
Villager: (look of extreme shock)
Ventriloquist: "Is this villager your owner?" (pointing at the villager)
Dog: "Yep"
Ventriloquist: "How does he treat you?"
Dog: "Real good. He walks me twice a day, feeds me great food and takes me to the lake once a week to play."
Villager: (look of utter disbelief)

Ventriloquist: "Mind if I talk to your horse?"
Villager: "Uh, the horse doesn't talk either....I think."
Ventriloquist: "Hey horse, how's it going?"
Horse: "Cool"
Villager: (absolutely dumbfounded)
Ventriloquist: "Is this your owner?" (pointing at the villager)
Horse: "Yep"
Ventriloquist: "How does he treat you?"
Horse: "Pretty good, thanks for asking. He rides me regularly, brushes me down often and keeps me in the barn to protect me from the elements."
Villager: (total look of amazement)

Ventriloquist: "Mind if I talk to your sheep?"
Villager: "The sheep's a liar" Shocked

Joe, my neighbor is a NZ boy from Christchurch, and he tells me plenty! We both like single malt and a good cigar!  Cool
  

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Reply #93 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 5:41pm
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That was quite funny. Try memorizing that!
  

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Reply #94 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 6:12pm
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I did!  Tongue
  

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Reply #95 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 7:15pm
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Well then. Okay, I've got a puzzler for you all! Now what one feature does the 767 differ from the 757 and all other Boeing jets that can cause a major problem after total battery failure?
  

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Reply #96 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 4:18am
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And you watch your mouth man Wink Wink Making Aussies sound smart, oooh boy!! Grin Grin I will tell you when I am old enough for a cigar too btw!! Although a Speights would be more kiwi Cool Cool!!

And PJ747, no contest. Lou, after 40 years on Boeing's would probably know that I would imagine Grin Grin??

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Reply #97 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 4:51am
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I'm just going to take a wild guess at pj747's puzzler... does it have anything to do with the air demand column on the hydraulics panel? That's not there on the 757...

As I've said before, I'm no expert on aircraft systems, so I wouldn't really know if that would do anything...  Wink
  

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Reply #98 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 1:08pm
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Not quite boeing247.

P.S, Lou give others a chance!!
  

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Reply #99 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 1:30pm
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Wrong again!
  

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Reply #100 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 2:09pm
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nope. Anyone else?
  

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Reply #101 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 8:41pm
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NEVER pass up a good airport.

This is another sad story about flying past a good airport just to go back where you took off from.

PanAm had a 707 freighter that took off from JFK headed east to Europe. Some where off the Canadian coast, smoke was noticed. The Captain decided to turn around and go back to JFK. The smoke got worse and worse. The plane crashed into the ocean just short of Boston.

Another sad one was the Swiss Air MD-11 out of JFK. Just abeam Halifax, CA the entertainment system gets to burning. Instead of landing RIGHT NOW in Halifax, the crew decides to start a very lengthly fire & smoke checklist. The hull loss was preventable if they did not delay getting it on the ground!  Cry

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Crashed 747F returned to Dubai despite Doha being closer

Pilots of a UPS Boeing 747-400 freighter which caught fire and crashed while
attempting to return to Dubai had been offered Doha International Airport,
some 50nm nearer.

The crew received a fire warning shortly after crossing the BALUS into
Bahraini airspace, just below 32,000ft, en route to Cologne on 3 September
last year.

United Arab Emirates General Civil Aviation Authority investigators state
that the crew informed Bahraini air traffic control that "they needed to
land as soon as possible".

The GCAA adds that the pilots were advised that Doha was 100nm distant, on a
left-hand bearing.

"[Doha] was the nearest airport at the time the emergency was declared," it
states, adding that Dubai was 148nm away and required turning the aircraft
around.

"The captain elected to return to [Dubai] and, following the request to land
as soon as possible to [Bahrain controllers], the crew declared an
emergency."

In order to turn the 747 back to Dubai, the GCAA says, controllers cleared
it for a series of right-hand heading changes. The distance to Dubai,
including the turns and straight-line return sector, amounted to about
150nm.

Although the crippled aircraft managed to reach Dubai, despite smoke in the
cockpit and deterioration in control capability, the jet was unable to carry
out a stable approach to the airport and crashed south of the city.

Source: Air Transport Intelligence news
  

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Reply #102 - Apr 9th, 2011 at 12:50am
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Wow. What were those pilots thinking? I wonder what their reasoning was...  Sad
  

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Reply #103 - Apr 9th, 2011 at 6:37am
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boeing247 wrote on Apr 9th, 2011 at 12:50am:
Wow. What were those pilots thinking? I wonder what their reasoning was...  Sad

Probably, I suspect, because they were more familiar with Dubai airport than they were with Doha airport. Sad
  

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Reply #104 - Apr 9th, 2011 at 1:02pm
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boeing247 wrote on Apr 9th, 2011 at 12:50am:
Wow. What were those pilots thinking? I wonder what their reasoning was...  Sad

I think that's the right question there.

Just from memory and after reading quite some reports and transcripts about incidents of all kinds.

Must be moisture or something.
(Sensor warning about an unlocked reverser while at cruise alt and speed)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauda_Air_Flight_004 - plane was lost

We can handle this, it's just some smoke.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111 - plane was lost

Must be some computer error, lets continue.
(fuel pressure warning coming up)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider - plane had to land as a glider

Must be some computer error, lets continue.
(EICAS message about first, imbalance, second, too low overall fuel load)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236 - also a glider landing

Lets join the "410 Club".
(CRJ-200 displaying various warnings, mostly engine related, while the pilots forced it to climb to its certified ceiling) - plane was lost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacle_Airlines_Flight_3701

So, in my eyes, the pilots which feel (too) confident about themselves, because they went through this and that in the past, tend to judge some situations, having their wealth of experience in mind. So they might not rely on indications and warnings given.

There are quite some psychology based discussions around that a young and not so experienced FO would have judged the whole thing differently, because he wouldn't have been that confident about his skills but would have trusted the systems some more.
Now, playing fair, there will be quite some situations where the Captain's experience is the big plus in the cockpit of course. But, usually, those are not the ones where you have to judge about a system and it's indicated status (you can't say, from experience, if a sensor catches up moisture or not, unless it does this on every second flight or so).
The Captain's experience e. g. might be a big help when judging about external circumstances (e. g. weather) or actually flying the thing with "stick and rudder". Also, the experienced guy doesn't get upset when things start to develop some stress factor, he had this stress some time before while the FO might get distracted by the new influences.
So, as you see, the modern systems all need some clear mind in the cockpit since they don't fly the plane and don't take any responsibility from the pilots. They just show, indicate and suggest things, helping the guys in the cockpit.
So it still stays some fine tuned balance to make the right decisions, just like in the old days without fancy displays. Sometimes people fail to achieve this balance, see some of the outcome above.

My personal viewpoint stays that the whole human factor thing got its emphasized character for good reason.
An engineer can always tune systems, check sensors and make sure that everything is working well above 99%, but if those two guys in the cockpit have a bad hair day  Grin things start to get worse while the plane itself might only struggle from minor defects.
Sadly, the whole situation then can turn out to be one were nobody steps out the plane and thinks "I'll do it in another way, next time".  Undecided

So your question about the decision making (e. g. do we land immediately or do we take the longer runway, being some miles out?) is spot on the cause of many problems in the actual operation.

Coming back to Lou's experience.
Did you ever had one of those "did not cross the line, but I could see it very clearly" situations in your career? Maybe some where you got years older in just some seconds?
Could have developed because of external influences or by, maybe, a bad decision which then had to be carried out.

Just asking, because after reading and seeing some interviews from crews which where close to some sort of lethal incident, most of them reported to have been on the very limit of mental and physical stress while fighting the plane through some emergency conditions.
So there was not a single one stating himself as a hero, but as a lucky guy, in the end.
  
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