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Question: If Game Problems Keep You From Taking off...


You keep trying for another hour 1 (9.1%) You keep trying for two hours 1 (9.1%) You keep Trying for three hours 0 (0.0%) You don't stop until you've succeeded no matter how long it takes 5 (45.5%) You fly something / somewhere else 3 (27.3%) You engage in some other activity 1 (9.1%) Total votes: 11 « Created by: Tim Capps on: Oct 11^th, 2010 at 4:47pm »

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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	AES Crashes Airplane Oct 11^th, 2010 at 4:43pm	Print Post
	I spent two hours planning a route, calculating fuel, and entering fixes into the INS. Then pushback was accompanied by much smoke, shaking and doors flying open and shut. It looked like Hellraiser 5: The Final Flight. Then, of course, the airplane crashed. After a little dance of frustrated anger accompanied by a few choice words and some brand new words I invented for the occasion, I tried again. This time, however, I "repaired" pushback, whatever that is supposed to do. The funny part is that the exact thing happened again. So that's how my Columbus Day morning has gone. I'm about ready to bathe the dog, or maybe try the route again in the Airbus X. This was EGLL UK2000 Heathrow to Antalya (or was going to be).

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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: AES Crashes Airplane Reply #1 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 4:47pm	Print Post
	How long is it sane to keep trying to fly when one problem after another keeps you on the ground?

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JayG Senior Member Offline Posts: 332 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2007	Re: AES Crashes Airplane Reply #2 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 5:09pm	Print Post
	Tim Capps wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 4:47pm: How long is it sane to keep trying to fly when one problem after another keeps you on the ground? I wish I could help you Tim, but I have not had a single CTD in this plane yet. However, I dont mess with the INS, Doppler etc either, I just load a FS FP and let the AP fly it. I also added the default GPS from the FS 172 to help with nav, my only 'mod'

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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: AES Crashes Airplane Reply #3 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 5:34pm	Print Post
	Just to be clear, this wasn't a CTD, but a "crash" with the airplane falling apart on the tarmac.

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CoolP Senior Member Offline Posts: 2568 Joined: Jan 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: AES Crashes Airplane Reply #4 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 5:46pm	Print Post
	Funniest reading around, Tim. Congrats! Only the last part with that Airbus confused me as this is one plane .. ah, not here, not yet. Ok, I just tried the AES pushback and it worked fine. Make sure to reload the plane after you click "repair" in the config tool. Only then the changed values get loaded and I recommend this repair option on all aircraft in your hangar. For details on it, check the AES manuals. There isn't much to go wrong with this setting as the default cfg is saved before as backup. Might be your crashing pushback was airport depended then, my repaired one here went flawlessly and smooth. Nice poll, I've voted. JayG, I think you are getting banned because you are using the default GPS on that classic plane. � Just kidding. Hoping to see you in the skies then, in style.


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JayG Senior Member Offline Posts: 332 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2007	Re: AES Crashes Airplane Reply #5 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 6:25pm	Print Post
	Tim Capps wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 5:34pm: Just to be clear, this wasn't a CTD, but a "crash" with the airplane falling apart on the tarmac. Gotcha, I solved that problem years ago, I turned it off in FSX � Cool, I had the avionic's upgraded to enhance my SA

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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: AES Crashes Airplane Reply #6 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 8:05pm	Print Post
	I think it might be a problem with the scenery. Anyway, I managed to get underway without AES and everything was splendid -- until the flip over from waypoint 9. I don't know what I had done wrong, but the distance was like 5554 miles, so I punted. This is one airplane to separate the men from the boys. This requires a lot of work to manage. It can get fatiguing after awhile.

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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12445 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: AES Crashes Airplane Reply #7 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 10:33pm	Print Post
	JayG wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 5:09pm: I also added the default GPS from the FS 172 to help with nav, my only 'mod' I too have added this to my 707. I use it to get info on my arrival airport (I don't want to waste paper by writing it down, nor time to write it in notepad!) ATIS, Tower etc. and also for info on navigational aids (VOR etc.). It isn't cheating! @Tim. Sorry that AES is giving you problems. I can't help you because I don't have it. I didn't vote in the poll. Quote: until the flip over from waypoint 9 I always put another waypoint (#1) beyond where I'm going. After waypoint 9 it will head for waypoint 1. I have had it try to return to my first waypoint, hundreds of miles behind me, because I forgot to tell it that waypoint 1 is somewhere ahead instead of the actual one I did use. e.g. YMML - YSSY DOSEL � S37.09.9 �E145.23.7 �#1 EBONY �S36.10.9 �E147.04.2 �#2 ARRAN �S35.50.3 �E147.38.4 �#3 NONUP �S35.25.8 �E148.17.9 �#4 CULIN �S34.44.4 �E149.23.4 �#5 TARAL �S34.30.1 �E149.56.0 �#6 RIVET �S34.16.8 �E150.25.8 �#7 RISOL �S34.13.2 �E151.12.9 �#8 SIZZL �S34.06.9 �E151.13.2 �#9 SY � � S33.56.5 �E151.10.8 �#1 Usually. By the time I reach SIZZL, I have switched the A/P to LOC, or even G/S AUTO, but it is there in case I haven't Mark

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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: AES Crashes Airplane Reply #8 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 11:50pm	Print Post
	I had a 21-waypoint route from London to Antalya and it worked fine. you just really have to pay attention to detail I think.

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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12445 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: AES Crashes Airplane Reply #9 - Oct 12^th, 2010 at 1:40am	Print Post
	Tim Capps wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 11:50pm: I had a 21-waypoint route from London to Antalya and it worked fine. �you just really have to pay attention to detail I think. OK. Now I'm a bit confused. Are you just saying that the next waypoint after 9 was because of incorrectly entered data and that you had sorted it out already? Mark

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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: AES Crashes Airplane Reply #10 - Oct 12^th, 2010 at 1:57am	Print Post
	I don't know what the problem was; but I can now consistently handle long lists of waypoints. I think I was making it harder than it needed to be. One thing that helped was to make a list of waypoints: 1 through 9, then start over 1 through 9, etc. Just put them in in order, checking them off as you enter them. No mystery.

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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: AES Crashes Airplane Reply #11 - Oct 13^th, 2010 at 12:34pm	Print Post
	I changed the value in my config file. If you look at your 707 in slew, it is hovering above the ground. By lowering the value it drops it a bit and now AES can handle it. static_cg_height=8 Now AES pushbacks are as smooth as glass.

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TheFinn Full Member Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 7^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: AES Crashes Airplane Reply #12 - Oct 13^th, 2010 at 12:51pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the info! Will try it out, because I also had some troubles with AES+707. �


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WWA1935 Full Member Offline Posts: 19 Joined: Mar 20^th, 2008	Re: AES Crashes Airplane Reply #13 - Oct 14^th, 2010 at 1:48pm	Print Post
	I had the same shaking to pieces episode using AES. I tried the repair option and believe I reloaded but I will try it once more to be sure and if not will then lower the CG as you suggest. Thanks, Robert


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