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Re: B727 cold and dark problem
Reply #30 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 9:55am
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As you can see by Lou's post that I have quoted below. He hasn't added the electric_always_available=1 line into his 727 aircarft.cfg file. He goes on to explain how he starts the 727 which could hold the key to the loss of avionics power after 11 minutes.

I hope to have the answer in a few days.

LOU wrote on Mar 9th, 2010 at 4:23am:
Some questions for you. If you don't mind.
1. Have you have added the electric_always_available=1 to you aircraft.cfg?
2. If you haven't added that line, are you having trouble with loss of avionics power?
3. If you haven't added that line AND you aren't having that problem, could you please guide us through what you do from a Cold-n-Dark cockpit to the knob/button settings for maintaining power?


Markoz,

I have not added anything to the .cfg file and as long as I keep the engines running I have no problem with loss of power.

Let's see if I can remember all the steps to get the old bird fired up from the cold....

1. Cockpit safety check. Hyd pump switches off, gear, gear doors and flaps handles agree - you don't want anything moving until clear.
2. Battery ON - check voltage
3. Fire test APU then start up APU.
   Check volts and freqs of APU and close AGR to connect to aircraft busses. Essential power to APU
   Note: I do not find a master avionics switch on the pilots overhead??? I wonder how the radios are turned on???
4. On F/E panel make sure all bleed valves are open - packs off - to get engine start air. Manifold pressure around 40 psi.
   If you're not starting engines at this time, turn on packs for air temp control in plane.
5. When clear by ground - HYD B pumps on. Make sure brakes are parked or chocked.
6. Load fuel to desired level.
7. Turn off packs to start engines.
8. As each engine is started, F/E checks engine gen volts and freq [ 115 volts & 400 cycles ]
   Select Essential Power to engine one and close MGR to change over power from APU. Do same with each engine.
9. After engine start, turn on A/C packs.

That should get you started... Cheesy

The more I play with the CS-727 the more fun I have! It's pretty good indeed.
If you could have seen the multi-million dollar simulator we had in the 60's you would laugh.
Now, today, the simulators we train in are super, but back then the CS-727 would have been heaven.
I wish I would have kept my old 727 books.

Lou

As for the C-130, I don't lose avionics there.I think this comes down to he fact that Captain Sim added the electric_always_available=1 line to the [Electrical] portion of the aircraft.cfg.

Mark
  

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Re: B727 cold and dark problem
Reply #31 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 2:22am
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I believe that is the start up procedure I use, but I will check my notes later when I get a chance. One question about step 8, when he says "and close MGR to change over power from APU", where/what is that, I don't recall? What is MGR? Thanks.
  
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Re: B727 cold and dark problem
Reply #32 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 12:45pm
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Yeah. I'm not surprised because I had that problem too!
Lou has explained it HERE using a picture.

By following what he has shown me, I'm no longer losing avionics power. Well at least for today! I had better cross my fingers or tomorrow it'll be gone again. LOL

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Re: B727 cold and dark problem
Reply #33 - Mar 13th, 2010 at 12:28am
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Markoz wrote on Mar 11th, 2010 at 12:45pm:
Yeah. I'm not surprised because I had that problem too!
Lou has explained it HERE using a picture.

By following what he has shown me, I'm no longer losing avionics power. Well at least for today! I had better cross my fingers or tomorrow it'll be gone again. LOL

Mark


Thanks for the link Mark. I have been toggling the MGR switches as described and thus starting and running my 727's correctly. My power loss problems still exists as usual. Putting in the electrical line in the aircraft CFG makes no difference whatsoever.

I have tried removing that line and putting it back in, and tried all 4 variations of the 727. In all honesty I am frusterated and disappointed. I have too many aircraft to count and these 727 are the only ones with this problem. Anyway life is too short to waste time on this anymore, but I really appreciate you trying to help me out. 
  
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Re: B727 cold and dark problem
Reply #34 - Oct 4th, 2013 at 7:57pm
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Was there ever a startup procedure found that stopped this loss of elec power after time?

I know we can put in that electric=1 line, just wondering if a better more proper work around was found.
  
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Re: B727 cold and dark problem
Reply #35 - Oct 5th, 2013 at 1:13am
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VeryBumpy wrote on Oct 4th, 2013 at 7:57pm:
Was there ever a startup procedure found that stopped this loss of elec power after time?

I know we can put in that electric=1 line, just wondering if a better more proper work around was found.

The short one that Lou gave here: http://captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1267897624/15#15.
I'm pretty sure that since following that checklist, or something very close to that, I haven't had a loss of avionics power again.

I could go through the my own checklist that I use on the CS 727, from memory, which I believe is close to Lou's. Shocked
I should write it down in here so others can use it. Smiley
  

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