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glez18 Full Member Offline Posts: 34 Joined: Apr 9^th, 2007	B727 cold and dark problem Jan 4^th, 2010 at 6:34am	Print Post
	Hi all When i run FSX and load presaved flight B727 cold and dark and run all systems elec,pack,fuel,apu,engines so the aircraft is ok to take-off but no clear to takeoff due the radios nav/comm and autopilot no have energy you know, no fuction i dont find the ON BUTTON, any sugestion? tks all Efr�n


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flyguy New Member Offline Posts: 3 Joined: Dec 12^th, 2009	Re: B727 cold and dark problem Reply #1 - Jan 4^th, 2010 at 6:49pm	Print Post
	Seems like "master avionics" is switched off. Assign a keystroke to it in FSX settings and you'll be fine.


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KrisJ Full Member Offline Posts: 33 Joined: Jan 11^th, 2010	Re: B727 cold and dark problem Reply #2 - Jan 11^th, 2010 at 9:01pm	Print Post
	And where the real 727 pilots assign this button...? I very much like CS 727 product but i believe there should be no such gaps on "PRO" products like this. I guess avionics are available as soon as you start battery / source power and this should be reflected.


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Tyrion Senior Member Offline Aviation Student Posts: 375 Location: Belgium Joined: Dec 28^th, 2008 Gender:	Re: B727 cold and dark problem Reply #3 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 2:41am	Print Post
	KrisJ wrote on Jan 11^th, 2010 at 9:01pm: And where the real 727 pilots assign this button...? I very much like CS 727 product but i believe there should be no such gaps on "PRO" products like this. I guess avionics are available as soon as you start battery / source power and this should be reflected. this is an FSX limitation, not the fault of CS. Many third party add-ons have this, ranging from CS to the little pipers by Carenado (excuse me for using the name of another dev here)... If the presaved flight was made using the default Cessna, and turning everything off, you'll encounter this problem with any aircraft that doesn't have a master avionics switch. And these are many, as most only have the battery switch.

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Howell Full Member Offline Posts: 52 Location: London Ontario, Canada Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: B727 cold and dark problem Reply #4 - Jan 21^st, 2010 at 8:15pm	Print Post
	Need help . . . I have FSX Acceleration and can not get FDC to come alive. There is a issue from when I start the 727 to take-off that the FDC turns off or does not want to turn "Autopilot Mode Selector". Prior to taxing, I can get the AMS to turn, but once lined up with the run-way, it turns off and I can not get it back on. I have tried assigning "Aviation master switch", but no luck

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Howell Full Member Offline Posts: 52 Location: London Ontario, Canada Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: B727 cold and dark problem Reply #5 - Jan 22^nd, 2010 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	Today I tried different airport since the others where payware. I set NAV 1 and got a reading on one VOR 36 miles out and I had Autopilot function along with GPS was working, but once I took-off and into 1 minute of flight, all nav turned-off including GPS. I started all over again, started the 727-200 and everything was working again, but this time I just sat there with engines running and with in 3 minutes all nav turned off again. What is causing this?

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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12373 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: B727 cold and dark problem Reply #6 - Jan 23^rd, 2010 at 1:21am	Print Post
	Hi Howell. I think you need to add the electric_always_available=1 line to the aircraft.cfg under [electrical]. Like this: [electrical] electric_always_available=1 max_battery_voltage = 24.0 generator_alternator_voltage = 30.0 max_generator_alternator_amps = 400.0 Make sure to back up the original aircraft.cfg first Hope this helps. Mark

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Howell Full Member Offline Posts: 52 Location: London Ontario, Canada Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: B727 cold and dark problem Reply #7 - Jan 23^rd, 2010 at 4:16am	Print Post
	Markoz, �Tried your edit and it works great . . . thanks for your help, I can finally fly this great looking bird. Is this a know issue or this just happening with me?

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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12373 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: B727 cold and dark problem Reply #8 - Jan 23^rd, 2010 at 5:24am	Print Post
	I would class it as a known issue. Lots of others have it too. Including me. The [electrical] segment that I put in my post is a copy from my aircraft.cfg so I don't lose power after a few minutes. Mark

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asanal Senior Member Offline Posts: 522 Location: Flemington,NJ USA Joined: Jul 9^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: B727 cold and dark problem Reply #9 - Jan 23^rd, 2010 at 5:55am	Print Post
	Battery switch located on FE panel. From left top corner after DC Volt and Amps gauges. Theres is DC Meter switch and Master Battery Switch is the second one. Click the cover and click the switch. You are ready to go.... Sanal


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Howell Full Member Offline Posts: 52 Location: London Ontario, Canada Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: B727 cold and dark problem Reply #10 - Jan 23^rd, 2010 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	I hate to break your heart asanal, but that is the first switch that is turned on . . . . kind of need it to turn APU on!

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asanal Senior Member Offline Posts: 522 Location: Flemington,NJ USA Joined: Jul 9^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: B727 cold and dark problem Reply #11 - Jan 23^rd, 2010 at 6:05pm	Print Post
	Howell, Every think I have learn, about procedure has been through trial and error. If you need to start APU, you must turn on aircraft Master Battery Switch on. I suggest open your FSX Free Flight Screen "Load " and go to "Cold -n- Dark start at KSEA. Now your airplane at KSEA airport and all powers shot down. Before touch any thing go to APU and click APU start switch. APU will not start. Because you need to open Aircraft Battery Switch on. Now plug in External Power you will see some light will be on in FE panel. Go to APU turn on APU starter Switch. Nothing will happen.Because "Battery Switch" still OFF. Turn switch on... Have a nice fly...


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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12373 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: B727 cold and dark problem Reply #12 - Jan 24^th, 2010 at 12:55am	Print Post
	Hi Sanal. The problem here is not about turning the Master Battery Switch ON, but that the battery loses all power after a few minutes. There was nothing worse than taking off and, after a short while, all of a sudden the Avionics would stop functioning. That is why myself and many others have added the electric_always_available=1 line into the aircraft.cfg. Adding that line means that the battery is always full (or at least something like that) and we don't lose our Avionics because of it. Howell also stated that adding that line to the aircraft.cfg fixed his problem. I'm hoping I have made this more clear for you. Mark

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asanal Senior Member Offline Posts: 522 Location: Flemington,NJ USA Joined: Jul 9^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: B727 cold and dark problem Reply #13 - Jan 24^th, 2010 at 6:46am	Print Post
	Mark, Thanks for your clarifying the issue. if you have delayed engine start, to save the battaries ,APU should be use. electric_always_available=1 , Then you don't need APU. Good way to eliminete the possible problems. Sanal


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javiercuellar Full Member Offline Posts: 85 Joined: Dec 22^nd, 2009	Re: B727 cold and dark problem Reply #14 - Jan 25^th, 2010 at 8:21am	Print Post
	Why it happens only to some users? It does not happen to me (cross fingers).


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