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T/O EPR
Jun 17th, 2009 at 9:17pm
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Is the default setting 1.55?

Per T/O EPR table Part IV p. 13 should we not be setting it at 1.41 for most takeoffs?
  

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Re: T/O EPR
Reply #1 - Jun 18th, 2009 at 3:10am
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FWIW I tried it and it was fine.  I also loaded the 757-200 full both pax and cargo, and by using the count-the-tick method arrived at a CG of 40% and up trim of 2.5, which seemed to work better than the greater trim I had been getting with the default 27%.

Heavy cloud cover with REX, and I'm chugging a bit in cruise sometimes with frames.  Of course unlimited, infinite clouds are a nice setting for the 757 and with automated flight I'm not having any problems (except for heavy turbulence).
  

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Re: T/O EPR
Reply #2 - Jun 18th, 2009 at 8:06am
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Hey Tim

Did you get a perfect autoland this time without any rocking on the approach?

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Neil
  
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Re: T/O EPR
Reply #3 - Jun 18th, 2009 at 8:30am
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Through my own fault I came in high, and after trying to figure out how to make the way Radar Contact gives holds work with the 757 FMC, I just disconnected the autopilot and landed hands-on.  I did not want a go-around.  (Never did figure out how to make a hold stick that was described as so many miles on a certain radial.  There were places for input of that info, but I didn't see a place for the distance, and couldn't find an answer in the manual. Holds on arrivals that are anchored to intersections are easy.  Perhaps you have to set up a fix, then anchor your hold to that, rather than complete everything on the hold page for the way Radar Contact works.)

But during the time I was on the approach properly, I didn't notice rocking.

I wonder if it had something to do with the extreme lightness of the airplane at landing.  I suspect she likes being full and coming in at a planned landing weight of 165,000 lbs. for the 757-200.
  

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Re: T/O EPR
Reply #4 - Jun 18th, 2009 at 11:08am
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Hey Tim

Are you suggesting that you think the rocking on autoland could be due to a lack of weight - interesting point.  I may have to give this a try.  I have changed values in the cfg so many times to try and remedy the rocking on autoland but can't get anywhere with it yet.

Hmmm
  
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Re: T/O EPR
Reply #5 - Jun 18th, 2009 at 1:17pm
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Substitute "suggesting" with "making wild guesses" and yeah Smiley People could try a fresh start and shoot for a heavier planned landing weight and see what happens.

I just thought it was funny that I never saw it except for one time when my calculated vref 30 was 109 kts, unless newly-installed REX or UT did something. As a weather engine, suspicion naturally falls on the new stranger.

I don't know how the same airplane can rock or have excursions for one person, and be rock-solid for another, but you always read this kind of stuff in support forums. I think some of it might be operational. We tend to do things the same way every time without thinking. That would be one explanation, not saying it is. If someone is starting from a saved situation, for example, he might be saving something weird. That's why I always try to start fresh from the default Cessna, etc.
  

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Re: T/O EPR
Reply #6 - Jun 18th, 2009 at 8:09pm
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I have already explored the weight idea. It isn't that, at least not for me. I get this behavior even at a landing weight of 165,000 lbs and a landing speed of 129 knots. There are other operational aspects that I am still checking out and need to rule out. I made the changes suggested by another poster (the now famous #116 post Grin), actually one change and I will see how that works out.

One well known 737 developer had a problem like this that most likely was caused by system performance and the CS AP "problem" sounds very familiar. When the sim would stutter, the AP would keep on turning during the time and would get all out of synch and all kinds of issues arose from this that generated a lot of overbanking and many various, difficult to reproduce and track down problems. I had this problem until I got my system sorted out (thank you NickN) and now it is fine. I have a feeling the same thing may be going on here. I have very low frame rates with the CS757 in general, even worse than the payware 747, as in 10 fps or less while on approach, and I think that on approach I am having this problem. This is what I am trying to sort out. This would also explain why so many people are having different and difficult to track down problems with the AP whereas others are not and also has nothing to do with the CS757 and more to do with system and operation. My own opinion anyways.

There is an easy way to check this out. Do an approach with the weather set to clear and to an airport that is not hard hitting. I get about 15-20+/- fps, and most importantly, stutter and wind shift free performance, when I do this and I will check out the results with CS 757 (haven't had a chance yet).

If there are people out there who are getting 30-40 fps AND smooth and stutter free performance and are still getting this wierd AP behavior, then I don't know what to say. Grin
  

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Re: T/O EPR
Reply #7 - Jun 18th, 2009 at 8:16pm
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You know, there might be some merit to that, Beachdog.  I usually get good frames (20-30), but it so happened I had installed UTX and was coming in at night, when their lighting effects take a toll on FPS.  That was also the first flight with REX, which obviously dragged me down some, too.  I am sure my frame rates were significantly lower than usual, even though I didn't notice stuttering.

Life is full of compromises.  If I need to save REX for a different airplane, that's not going to run my life.  And there are downsides to flying the 757 at night, anyway.

As an aside, I was watching my Air Tours 757 cockpit video.  I'm not sure the training captain who was flying knew what he was doing after reading all the posts on this forum lol  But man, was everything familiar!  CS did a good job on this one in so many ways.

I hope the folks that are rockin' are getting some relief.
  

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Re: T/O EPR
Reply #8 - Jun 18th, 2009 at 11:54pm
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If you want to use REX but not get such a hit, try installing the lower resolution textures. I use the 512 ones for payware aircraft and the 4096 for freeware. Those 4096 textures are going to cost you big when it comes to performance. Make sure that you have put a check mark in the Use DXT5 compression no matter what texture set you are using.

Also with UTX, I disable the night lighting, borth roads and intersections. Also the newest version fo UTX adds moving cars and they are a huge peformance drain. Go to Other Terrain Features and disable railroads, highway interchanges and glaciers. Then go to Road Surfaces and disable Moving Traffic for... I also turn off all traffic in FSX. This allows me to run great REX clouds and ground textures and still be able to fly the aircraft (except maybe this one, don't know yet Grin).

If you have a higher performance system you can turn some of these back on.

I also go to Ultimate Terrain, Change Road Surface Colors and uncheck all entries that say Add Auto Imprint. This will take all the static cars off the roads.

Some of these can be done in UTX USA and will automatically apply to all other UTX areas and some you need to go into settings for each UTX area to change.

These suggestions all from NickN. Go here for many, many more-->  http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=29041

When flying payware I also personally use Low water 1.X to give me some more CPU cycles to work with.

These changes should give you some more frames to work with when flying this aircraft.

Good luck.
  

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Re: T/O EPR
Reply #9 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 3:09pm
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Thanks for the suggestions. I disabled the night lighting; never liked that much to begin with. I never had the traffic on. I do like the static taillights and headlights around major intersictions at night, though. I'll look into my other settings.

I will say that with REX, flying over water can be jaw-droppingly beautiful.
  

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Re: T/O EPR
Reply #10 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 5:25pm
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Glad you got the water figured out. For the record, I use GEX, all UTX's, all ST's (Scenery Tech landclass), and REX2.0 (heh heh).

By the way, the CS EPR on takeoff is a bit tricky. Your original post asked about 1.55 etc. You have to realize that there is typically derating involved by using an assumed temperature (see the manual about this) and when this is used the EPR will not be 1.55 but less. If yo do't derate, the airplane will takeoff like a rocket.

I usually map the Shift R and TOGA to keys on my joystick. Shift R usually toggles on/off the autothrottle but does nothing in the CS Angry and the TOGA which I assign to Cntrl F1 then to button on my Saitek. Usually this activates takeof thrust with most airraft but with the CS seems to do something strange. When I activated his yesterday, the autothrottle wouldn't respond properly. Basically the engines spooled up but wouldn't maintain speed at all during the climb even even on VNAV and I almost crashed during the climb so be aware of this. The best way is to just click on EPR during takeoff, then click VNAV when at 400' or so. There does not appear to be a way to assign EPR to a key command with the CS. Not having these key commands is a real hassle, especially with the autothrottle. With the aircraft rolling gently back and forth across the course line during approach, and then having to use the mouse to shut off the autothrottle makes this action somewhat difficult and distracting as you have to move the mouse to the right location and then click it all the while trying to keep the aircraft under control. I hope this gets fixed in the future.
  

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Re: T/O EPR
Reply #11 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 9:54pm
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REX 2.0 huh?  Well just rub it in.

On my cockpit video I noticed the EPR was set for 1.55 to, and there was a derated thrust temp.

I'll continue looking into it.  I guess I'll order Mike Ray's 700-series book, and then maybe the 757-specific one if I like that.
  

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Re: T/O EPR
Reply #12 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 11:21pm
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To be honest I am an N1 guy.  I don't really pay much attention to EPR, although I suppose I should.
  

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Reply #13 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 4:52pm
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Beachdog2001 wrote on Jun 18th, 2009 at 8:09pm:
I have already explored the weight idea. It isn't that, at least not for me. I get this behavior even at a landing weight of 165,000 lbs and a landing speed of 129 knots. There are other operational aspects that I am still checking out and need to rule out. I made the changes suggested by another poster (the now famous #116 post Grin), actually one change and I will see how that works out.

One well known 737 developer had a problem like this that most likely was caused by system performance and the CS AP "problem" sounds very familiar. When the sim would stutter, the AP would keep on turning during the time and would get all out of synch and all kinds of issues arose from this that generated a lot of overbanking and many various, difficult to reproduce and track down problems. I had this problem until I got my system sorted out (thank you NickN) and now it is fine. I have a feeling the same thing may be going on here. I have very low frame rates with the CS757 in general, even worse than the payware 747, as in 10 fps or less while on approach, and I think that on approach I am having this problem. This is what I am trying to sort out. This would also explain why so many people are having different and difficult to track down problems with the AP whereas others are not and also has nothing to do with the CS757 and more to do with system and operation. My own opinion anyways.

There is an easy way to check this out. Do an approach with the weather set to clear and to an airport that is not hard hitting. I get about 15-20+/- fps, and most importantly, stutter and wind shift free performance, when I do this and I will check out the results with CS 757 (haven't had a chance yet).

If there are people out there who are getting 30-40 fps AND smooth and stutter free performance and are still getting this wierd AP behavior, then I don't know what to say. Grin


Hey Beachdog

I think you have cracked it.  I carried out a number of flights with clear skies and within the 2d cockpit for the majority of the flight to boost frame rates and there was not one single rock or roll on take-off, climb, cruise, descent or approach.

It was a perfect flight!

Your assumption that the rocking is due to lower frame rates may be spot on!  It will be interesting to note if you and others achieve the same results.

Regards
Neil
  
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Re: T/O EPR
Reply #14 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 8:51pm
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In fact, today I had my first ever perfect approach, had some weather but frames were above 10 where I usually have 6-7 with this aircraft for some reason.  To be fair, I also made the most recent cfg mods (3.92, 5.5, 2580) as well, so that is the old "one experiment with two variables changed" thing, so don't really know which did it.  But...things are definitely looking up.

Going to do another flight today soon.
  

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