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Nov 9th, 2008 at 12:48am
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I have a Duo Core 2.6 with a 640MB video card so I know it's not my machine.  Add to that I'm using this add-on in FS9 which runs all of my other add-ons outstandingly well.  I'm finding stutters/performance and texture load times far worse than the previous version of this add-on.  I tried reducing cockpit textures down to DX1 formate but that didn't help.  There's no utility to adjust the gauges or anything else that would help.  This was a great add-on but it's all but unusable to me now.  I used to marvel at it's performance in FS9 but no more. Is there anything that can be done to improve performance with this add-on in FS9?  I feel weird asking this as I haven't seen anything like this in FS9 for quite some time.  Issues like this is why I stayed away from FSX...  Sad
  
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Re: Performance is terrible after 2.1...
Reply #1 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 12:19am
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I have a far worse graphics card than you - an old GeForce 8600GT with 256Mb memory, 2.6 Dual Core, and 2Gig RAM.  I have no problem with frames/textures on ths 757 (albeit a 2-3 second load time on the VC). Nor do I have issue with FSX set at quite high settings. 

Unless it is a combination of hardware that works for me, there's always something that affects performance, even the littlest detail.
  
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Re: Performance is terrible after 2.1...
Reply #2 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 3:48am
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The only issue I have is the slower loading of the VC textures...even with my Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 OC'd to 3.72Ghz(still in process of overclocking back up to 3.9Ghz) in combo with the 8800GT 512Mb card. Of course I run resolution ast my monitor's max of 1680. Even at 1600 res. the VC load time is a hair quicker but not much. The earlier version of this aircraft had basically the same issue, so I expected this.

Yet, while airborne and in clear skies, I get an ave. of 55 fps using FS9 and the 757. Heavy cloud draws can reduce it to 28-35 fps....while in VC. External views ave. around 59 fps(locked at 60).

I finally bought FSX Gold Edition the other day but haven't loaded it onto one of my HDs yet, so I don't know how well it performs.
  

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Re: Performance is terrible after 2.1...
Reply #3 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 12:54pm
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i donot have fs9 version but fsx model is decently fast! mind you its still slower than all other planes i've got. And yes it does helps a bit when you reduce 3d cockpit textures to less details. Its possible to reduce texture size to one notch smaller then this model would be super fast!!!!!

What i'm unsure of is, if captain sim would allow to let distribute their original textures into reduced size on public download sites.
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 4:16pm
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I was afraid these were the kind of responses I would get...  I've since returned to using the older 1.4 version (the version right before 2.1).  I may not have all the new bells and whistles but it runs fantastic.  My video card is a NVIDIA 8800GTS 640MB card.  I have 2 gigs of ram in a Dell Duo Core 2.66 machine.  All my other add-ons including the the CS 757 1.4 work great.  I don't know what's going on with 2.1 but it's truly unflyable with the pauses and stutters I'm finding.  After getting used to flying stutter free with my current rig it's hard to go back to something like this.  Changing the VC textures to DX1 formate doesn't help either.  I was sitting at KMDW last night on the ramp and couldn't pan around in a circle without constant pauses, that's when I uninstalled 2.1 and reinstalled the 'Block' versions.  I was hoping others were seeing this as it would get addressed.  At this point I know I'd better appreciate the functionality of 1.4 as I'm stuck with that version unless CS offers up another patch to further optimize the gauges.  Embarrassed
  
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Re: Performance is terrible after 2.1...
Reply #5 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 11:35pm
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reduce all texture sizes from 1024x1024 size to 512x512 using photoshop. trust me you'd gain around 5fps. Not to mention jerk free 3d cockpit(without lag). It does not make textures look terrible either. They're decent but fps friendly, most important.. you would finally fly 757 smoothly like default fsx planes
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 2:04am
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Assie I'm using FS9...  Huh

I already reduced the textures and that didn't help...

Thanks for the suggestion.
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 5:15am
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Dillon-I never use any aircraft until I convert the exterior daytime textures (they are the ones that end with a _T.bmp) to DXT3 or DXT5 and they are mip-mapped.  You can use DXTbmp or Imagetool to convert the .bmp's

Also running a good defragmenting program like Ultimate Defrag once your HD gets to be more than 6% fragmented is a good thing to do.  You should take all of your addons and place them onto removable media. The less clutter you have on your HD the better FS9 will run.

You should look at installing nHancer for your nVidia card.

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Reply #8 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 4:04pm
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Thanks 'Maxam' but like I wrote above I already tried reducing the various textures for the aircraft and that didn't work.  My problem has to do with the gauges somewhere.  Maybe when the 1.4 version is uninstalled there's still gauges that are left over that need to be manually deleted as well.  That's the only way I can make since of this.  My problem is not a texture problem but rather a gauge file somewhere.  I tried loading up the aircraft without the gauges to see if it was the model itself and the issue was no longer present.  Maybe someone can give me a clue as to what could possibly be left over from 1.4 that would cause a conflict.

As far as defraging, I defrag with each new add-on install and every other week if necessary...
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 10:24pm
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Seems I found the problem...  A leftover gauge from the various blocks wouldn't delete from the gauges folder (cs.b757.vc.CAB).  I tried again to uninstall version 1.4 after finding no one having this problem.  Instead of using Window's default 'Add & Remove Programs' I ran the CS uninstaller for the various 'Blocks'.  The one gauge above I found still sitting in the gauges folder after 1.4 of the 757 was deleted.  Once I manually deleted that gauge I installed 2.1 and performance of the 757 was as it should be (outstanding in FS9).  In essence FS9 was trying to run two of the same gauges at the same time.  2.1 has a replacement for the gauge mentioned above but if their both in the 'Gauges' folder they end up running at the same time causing a very noticeable degradation in performance...

I'm glade I found the issue but I still can't figure out how others upgrading to 2.1 haven't had a problem with this gauge being removed during the 1.4 uninstall...  Lips Sealed
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 10:41pm
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glad to know you got it resolved! another happy simmer  Cheesy

  
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Reply #11 - Nov 12th, 2008 at 1:03am
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aussie wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 at 10:41pm:
glad to know you got it resolved! another happy simmer  Cheesy



Thanks, I just hope this is the last time we see this 'Block' system...  Things can get confusing pretty quick with that kind of a system with various gauges left in places they shouldn't...  Undecided
  
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Re: Performance is terrible after 2.1...
Reply #12 - Dec 5th, 2008 at 6:54pm
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Hi Guys,

I am a little frustrated with the performance with FS9.  
I have a;
Dual core AMD Athlon 4800+ 2.64 Ghz system
with a Nvidia 9500 GT 1GB graphics card
2GB DDR400 RAM
500GB SATAII HD

I am only getting between 4 and 5 fps with this aircraft. I have changed all the .bmp files to DX3. I am also running AlacrityPC, nHancer, defrag HD and RAM.

All the others work really well and am thinking of deleting it as I can't really use it, but it seems a shame.

Any thoughts?

Reas86
  
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Re: Performance is terrible after 2.1...
Reply #13 - Dec 7th, 2008 at 5:08am
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Try what I mentioned above, that's what worked for me.  If you've upgraded I found a gauge is left in the gauges folder for the older install.  Both of those gauges running at the same time can cause problems like your having.  Other than that don't give up and keep investigating.  Performance on my end is stellar with a comparable system to yours.
  
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