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Modeled systems?
Nov 24th, 2007 at 10:50pm
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I Bought C130 on DVD Version. It came with a 200 pages manual so i guessed it had to be a very complex aircraft.
Despite the fact it has an excellent VC and plenty of clickable controls, i 'm really upset about what all of it turned out to be...

I performed some tests while flyng and these are the results:

I tried to switch off ALL the cross-feeds valves AND the boost pumps, but the engines did not stop at all.
I was able to continue the flight at full throttle without any apparent change other than fuel gauges indicators dropping to zero and warning lights on. Angry

I tried to switch off the utility, booster, and auxiliary Hydraulic systems; nevertheless i was able to normaly operate the flaps, landing gear, brakes, and the flight controls.
Having the suction boost pumps on vs off did not mean any difference in operating the aircraft.
Bleed air system seemd to have no effect as well, since the de-icers did not work, and i ended up stalling and crashing the aircraft.

Then i switched off ALL electrical systems with no other effects than losing the cabin and exterior lights.
No Matter if the radios ar turned off: you can equally communicate with ATC and listen to the ATIS.

Now i ask to myself - is there something wrong in my computer? did i missed something? Did i uncorrectly set anything? am i the only one who experienced such defectiveness ? OR - Is there any system truly modeled in this aircraft? Angry


  
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Reply #1 - Nov 25th, 2007 at 6:12pm
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Reading through your descriptions it sounds like some are modelled correctly, and some aren't. i.e.

If you "switch off ALL the cross-feeds valves AND the boost pumps",  the engines are designed to continue to run just like in a real C-130 through gravity feed.  Only if you climb quickly with the boost pumps off would you expect to see come possible engine fluctuation that could lead to a compressor stall.  If I remember right the only way to stop fuel to the engines if pull the fire handle, or place the condition lever feather.  I believe in both cases it's closes the fuel value.

On the hydralics, some of the items such as the brakes would have one brake application with the pumps were turned off.  The others shouldn't operate excect for the flight controls.  There is another switch for those, and even if you turned that off you would still be able to fly the plane because the C130 flight control are cable driven.  It takes a lot more muscle, but in a flight sim you would feel it anyways.

The suction boost pumps assist the hydraulic system, but you would only see a temporary large drop in pressure, while operating the landing gear or flaps.  Otherwise it should have an effect.

Doesn't sound like the electricals right, though there are a lot of electrically switch you have to turn off.  Each generator, inverters, and even then you have some things hot wired to the battery.  i.e. one of the radios, of course if you turn that off. It should be off.

Anyway, there are a lot of redundant systems on the Herc.  It's a fantactic plane to fly.  Engineers feel free to chime in, I really stretching my memory here.  Smiley



  
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Reply #2 - Nov 26th, 2007 at 8:09am
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Thank you for your reply Smiley
I'll try to run other tests on fuel valves behaviour, but i bet it would not work properly anyway.
I like to fly this aicraft, and i do not doubt the flight model is correct, tough i'm really disappointed about the lack of systems modeling, after all c130 is a complex machine, so i should expect a complex management of it.
It seems like the entire programming effort has been pointed to the graphic and effects, rather than correct system working. Cry

  
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Reply #3 - Nov 26th, 2007 at 1:01pm
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Thank you for your input. Please check this link: http://www.captainsim.net/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1132944896
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 27th, 2007 at 3:08pm
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The fuel system works correctly. You need no pumps on to run an engine.. Remember the Fuel tanks are above the engines, and Gravity does it's job. It's the way the C130 is designed.

I cannot make too many comments on the electrical system apart from the radios being off and still hearing ATC is a 'feature' of FS. Not a design fault

On the hydraulics: Remember that there are several levels of redunacy on many of the systems.. Also that a total failure of Hydraulic pressure will still allow you to fly the AC.
  
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Reply #5 - Dec 10th, 2007 at 8:19pm
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The moderator has a good point. A tremendous amount of work goes into replicating the C130, and nothing is duplicated exactly.  They do what is possible, but even that has to have it's limits or it would never be ready for release.  Besides, not even multi-million flight simulator can do that. 

From my point of view, this would be an impossible feat anyways because no two C130 are that same.  Each model/version (A, B, E, H, J, and whatever other versions that out there) has similar systems, each aircraft gets modified on the assembly line. Before they come off the shelf they are modified for the place they are going, the mission that they will be performing, etc.  Once they get there, the base modifies them even more, in addition each year comes more modifications.  As they are transfered to a different base, region, area of the world more mods take place, and so on.  It never ends, thus I'd be surprized if they are any two C130s that are exactly the same.  I would imagine that this applies to  commercial C130s as well.

 


  
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