Hi, I have purchased the L1011 in 2016. My account shows the download. (ran it on P3dv3)

I have updated to P3dv4.5. 

If I re download the L1011 is this compatible with P3dv4.5?

The download says csz112_1300. Bur the load splash screen says P3dv3?

Not sure what version the re download will support.

I hope I do not have to buy it again? Not that its not worth it, just that my cash flow is poor!

Thanks.

you have to buy it again

https://captainsim.net/products/y011/y112/

Pedro Trindade wrote on Feb 15^th, 2020 at 10:12pm:

you have to buy it again https://captainsim.net/products/y011/y112/

Thanks. I realise that now.
Unfortunately this won't be happening. :'(
There should be a reasonable discount for people who own the aircraft in a previous version of the platform. Whilst I realise it's been "upgraded" for 64 bit, a discount (say half price) would be fair and ensure revenue can be earned for the development work.
Regards.

highflight wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 9:30pm:

Pedro Trindade wrote on Feb 15th, 2020 at 10:12pm: you have to buy it again https://captainsim.net/products/y011/y112/ Thanks. I realise that now. Unfortunately this won't be happening. :'( There should be a reasonable discount for people who own the aircraft in a previous version of the platform. Whilst I realise it's been "upgraded" for 64 bit, a discount (say half price) would be fair and ensure revenue can be earned for the development work. Regards.

Completely agree with you.
Wait for a sale. I got it on the latest sale at $25.

highflight wrote on Feb 16^th, 2020 at 9:30pm:

Pedro Trindade wrote on Feb 15th, 2020 at 10:12pm: you have to buy it again Thanks. I realise that now. Unfortunately this won't be happening. :'( There should be a reasonable discount for people who own the aircraft in a previous version of the platform. Whilst I realise it's been "upgraded" for 64 bit, a discount (say half price) would be fair and ensure revenue can be earned for the development work. Regards.

Exactly! It should be a discount for people who bought a time before.  >:(

Hamilton wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 1:52pm:

It should be a discount for people who bought a time before.

Just out of curiosity, how much discount you got from LM buying P3D4 after P3D3?

Why U give bad examples, not looking and follow good ones ?
There are devs who either do not charge or give discounts.

Beardyman wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 3:57pm:

Why U give bad examples, not looking and follow good ones ?

These are GOOD examples, for LM and MS obviously.
These multi-billion corporations charge you full price every single time and you pay no questions asked.
Why on earth a "two guys and a truck" company like CS would give you freebies?

maybe because such attitude u are still "two guys and a truck"...

Beardyman wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 9:12am:

maybe because such attitude u are still "two guys and a truck"...

Yeap, and totally happy with that.

Captain Sim wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 9:07am:

Why on earth a "two guys and a truck" company like CS would give you freebies?

Maybe because it clearly specifies it is simply a "migration" from the 32-bit version with some new adaptations ::)


Quote:

The 1011 CAPTAIN II is a port over from 32-bit version except the features marked New!

...or is this enough reason for asking full price for a simple upgrade?
Though I can somewhat agree with you on your example of the two guys and a truck. No matter not agreeing with being fully charged for a mere upgrade, you have been doing some amazing products for the last two decades. Not in the same level of actual another company 737/747/777, but undoubtedly at the level of the another company Airbuses for sure.

CS-TMT wrote on Sep 7^th, 2020 at 10:54pm:

Maybe because it clearly specifies it is simply a "migration" from the 32-bit version with some new adaptations

It's a free market. We do not owe any explanations on our pricing policy.

will be possible to see 1011 in MSFS2020 in future?

Any L1011 in MSFS when pigs fly  ;)

I just want to see a CS L1011 III. Bad. For whatever reason, it's the only thing I've flown since coming back at the end of October. I am always finding nuances to appreciate, mods to fiddle with, and how busy it keeps me. By that measure, given the cost of re-entry now, I've spent  :o !!! for one airplane  ;D

Sure, I'll eventually want to try the 757's in my hanger and a couple of other "latest and greatest study level sims" I have--if I live that long with a sound mind.

Having some experience in fee-setting in a competitive market, it's a balance of what you bring to the game and what you need to make a profit. And some voodoo.

I always think of something I read in law school called "the client curve of gratitude." It starts, "Man, I'm in big trouble. They say this guy's the best, so I'm lucky to be able to afford him!" Then it's "I can't complain. He seems to be doing a pretty good job." At some point, it's, "They have a lousy case against me. I don't know why this is costing so much." Finally, it's, "So, I got off. There was never any doubt! That shyster ripped me off. I could have beat those Mickey Mouse charges on my own!"

Funny because it's true.

No, that's not exactly the same thing as an upgrade, I admit. But I guess I always found fees a darnable issue that was driven by necessity on my end and perceptions on the other. Both are legitimate factors in the equation. If you get them right, you stay in business. If not...

So, it's hard to say what's "fair" when it comes to pricing policies, especially unless you know everything the person setting the price knows.

Ultimately, what's "fair" is up to each potential buyer. That's what's great about a free market. It may very well be unfair to one person, and a bargain for another.

I understand full price if new version is significantly improved - not this case.
I own L1011 for P3D3 and now for P3D4, transfer was done with all issues and mistakes even a long list of those exist.
With such attitude full price for buggy product is very questionable.

I really do sympathize. I think what we're going to see is that updates from 3 to 4 to 5 to... whatever, are going to be new charges from devs. Captain Sim plays its cards close to its vest. Other devs are a bit looser with info and have spoken of the huge number of changes needed just to make things work in 5.0.

Is CS making best use of what's available now with 5.0? Let's say "no." Somebody said PBR doesn't matter because it's added to everything now. There are indeed improvements, but you can do still more with it, as we've seen, so I wouldn't say it's a non-issue. One dev has dropped custom paints on vehicles in 5.0. Some airports are getting non-PBR versions made available because it really hurts performance. So I do think there are significant issues in the jump.

Did they take the opportunity to fix all the known issues? Let's say "no" to that, too. I don't think those answers would be unfair.

Is the L1011 a bad product? I didn't think so in FSX, and don't in P3D--mainly because it's pretty much the same  ;) On the other hand when I fire up the L1011, I don't get a splash screen demanding that I reduce my settings down to 4xMSAA. (I think 4xSSAA is the minimum to keep a sharp VC.) Does that happen with a certain shiny new airplane? Let's say, "Yes."

Granted, I've only had to buy it twice.

If you follow the discussions elsewhere, we have a major dev with 50 employees telling P3D users (I'm recalling the New York headline about President Ford) to DROP DEAD more or less, because there's "zero revenue" to be had in P3D. We NEED P3D devs, and I'm willing to cut CS some slack because they're at least supporting us. I'm taking note of who is and who isn't and even if anything worth flying comes to MSFS (a year from now at the earliest) I'll remember who my friends are and who threw me under the bus. (That goes for scenery now, too.)

I'm not criticizing anyone's buying decisions. I'm blessed to be able to buy what I want. I get that. It helps make up for getting old  ;) But if it becomes a discussion of policy, I think there's a bigger picture that matters to me. I hope we see the whole catalog updated to 5.0 first, then they show some love to those wonderful older products and yeah, charge for an "enhanced version" if it is significantly better.

Please explain "buggy product".