As you probably know, Windows 10 will be a FREE upgrade for Windows 7 and Windows 8 users and will be available to download on July 29. Existing Windows 7 and 8 users can reserve their copy now.

FSX works fine with W7, but what will happen after installing the new OS?

To accept, or not to accept, that is the question.

I'm not sure what to do. :-/

What do you think about that?

I was interested in giving the Windows 10 Preview a try, but it was highly recommended that it not be installed on one's main computer! So I would have needed another computer to install it on, and I was not going to buy/build one just for Win10 Preview. But had I done so, I would have had a good idea of how FSX works in it. :-/

While I have reserved my 2 free copies, one for my main computer (in which it will replace Win8.1, and be used as a second boot system), and one for my Laptop that will replace my Win7 installed on it, it won't be happening until around the last week in August.

If you get the Free Upgrade, you can't opt out of any service update, ever. That means if a update breaks something or you simply don't want it, you can't do anything about it. No rolling back. No uninstalling the update. Nothing.

It should also be noted that the Free Upgrade allows MS to toss any sort of app or junk they want onto your PC. Food for thought on that.

So what if you buy Windows 10, instead of accepting the Free Upgrade? Wouldn't that be the same deal? After all, Windows 10 is Windows 10. :-/

Markoz wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 3:11am:

So what if you buy Windows 10, instead of accepting the Free Upgrade? Wouldn't that be the same deal? After all, Windows 10 is Windows 10. :-/

I think it's not the same deal. When you buy something, and you aren't happy with the product, no matter how good a product is, you have the right to complain, right? But if you receive the same product as a gift, what will you do? Legally they are just offering a free upgrade and nobody is compelled to accept. But after the acceptance nobody can blame them by technical failures or eventual hidden traps inside the gift.

Markoz wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 3:11am:

So what if you buy Windows 10, instead of accepting the Free Upgrade? Wouldn't that be the same deal? After all, Windows 10 is Windows 10. :-/

Purchasing a license will negate any of the aforementioned issues. You can turn off updates, roll them back, and have the option to opt out of any Apps or software MS offers via the SP's.

However, a important issue to to contemplate is the fact that Windows is no longer a OS Platform, it's a service. The biggest concern is this: while Windows 10 will seamlessly upgrade to Windows, your OS would evolve into a new product for which you have to pay. And by pay I mean it is going to be/already is a subscription based service.

I suggest you read the ToS regarding Win10.

I have Windows 10 installed and I have a slight problem. The FSX window is now bigger and when I open it and it does open, the FLY NOW button is out of reach of my cursor. I have tried in settings to resize it but it is permanent. Have contacted Microsoft about this issue. Anybody try this yet for FSX? >:(

I have resolved  this small issue by just relocating the taskbar to the side or top and making it auto. FSX works though the type seems to be a bit bigger, I do have new drivers for the graphics card which were loaded soon as windows 10 was installed. Overall seems to work ok.

Wow! No upgrade for me...

Microsoft will collect any file you have, aside the ones you “provide”, including anything in your private folders, including any password, of any nature belonging to you, not limited to the computer and devices running Windows 10, or any Microsoft service. If you encrypt a drive, Microsoft gets the key.

There is no clause forcing Microsoft to limit or obey any opt out, or choice you make.

In case of doubt, Microsoft gets the right to change the contract.

UPDATE: Had to roll back to Windows 7, Video is just not compatible yet for my machine. Just a note Windows 10 comes with DirectX11 installed, just did not work for FSX. ::)

I must say that this topic has more than its fair share of misinformation.
These are the bits that I know to be true.

Whether or not you can roll back drivers, disable Windows features etc depends not on whether you paid for it but on the version.
Which version you get depends on your version of Windows 7 or 8.
For example, Windows 7 Home premium entitles you to Windows 10 Home.
Windows 8 Pro to Windows 10 Pro and so on.

As to privacy, Microsoft have one policy which can be viewed at their site.
It applies to all Windows versions.
If that is unacceptable to anyone, they need to look for a different OS provider altogether.
While I cannot see into the future, unlike some seem to be able to, Microsoft have said that there will be no charge for updates to Windows 10 even though for one year it is offered free of charge.

Windows 10 ships with Direct X 12 and for me it will run any software from Direct X 9 upwards.
This naturally includes FSX and FSX Steam in Direct X 9 and Direct X 10.
I don't have P3D.
I don't have anything left that needs Direct X 8 or lower.

@ Post#6
The larger FSX can easily be resolved by accessing the properties tag for all users of fsx.exe and ticking the "Disable display scaling  on high DPI settings" box.
Windows 10 did this for me.
While you're there, tick the "Run this program as an Administrator" too, then click on Apply.


Finally, I have it, everything that worked before works now, often a little better.

What is your system configuration including your video graphics card. This is where my issue is according to Dell Tech support. My system is not yet fully compatible with Windows 10 according to them. :-/

PC:I7 4790K 4.0 (4.4 turbo) Ghz, GIGABYTE GA Z97X Gaming 7, 8GB DDR3 SDRAM, NVIDIA GeForce 4GB GTX 970 OC Windforce 3, Windows 10,

FSX Gold Dx10, FSX Steam Dx10.

Nick Cooper wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 7:21pm:

I must say that this topic has more than its fair share of misinformation. These are the bits that I know to be true.

There is no misinformation, only what was stated at the time by MS themselves concerning the your 'privileges' with regards to Upgrade versions. I'd read the contract if I were you. Draconian is putting it lightly.

Possibly, but this


Quote:

If you get the Free Upgrade, you can't opt out of any service update, ever. That means if a update breaks something or you simply don't want it, you can't do anything about it. No rolling back. No uninstalling the update.

is simply wrong.
You can do all of these things

Nick Cooper wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 9:55pm:

Possibly, but this Quote: If you get the Free Upgrade, you can't opt out of any service update, ever. That means if a update breaks something or you simply don't want it, you can't do anything about it. No rolling back. No uninstalling the update. is simply wrong. You can do all of these things

Wrong. Read the ToS. The only systems to receive that option are those running Enterprise or purchased the P-Ver, and that's covered under their LTSB clause in the license. Included in the Contract under Updates is the 'with your consent' nomenclature, referencing the forced update aspect. Your consent is already given when you checked the box and hit next.

Granted, you can set it to metered, but it is still going to actively attempt to DL updates, which includes a bunch of s%# you probably don't want. 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/17/windows-10-forced-automatic-updates/

I was able to roll back without an issue, just have Windows 7 Home. It is part of the install when updating to Windows 10. No special contracts or anything else.

Do you actually have Windows 10?


Quote:

That means if a update breaks something or you simply don't want it, you can't do anything about it.

Quote:

No rolling back

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No uninstalling the update

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/08/08/Untitled5b91e.jpg

I was on Windows 10 and rolled back to Windows 7. No issues, and no problems as you describe. Very easy. ;D

You rolled back your install. You didn't roll back a update. Too little too late. You signed the contract.

The problem is that people read contracts the way they read books or any form of printed text. You can't do that. A Contract is literal. You cannot assume or interpret it according to your opinion. That’s the point of writing the contract: to rule away opinions about what are the rights and obligations. It does not say ONLY when necessary to provide you with the services you use.

Also, when it says This includes: the content..., the word includes is the key. Including something does not exclude any other thing. Yet, in case of doubt, the contract is explicit saying that any kind of data will be collected, for example we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content or files in private folders.

The wording files in your private folders mean any file in any private folder. Not ONLY files you upload to the cloud. Again the word including specifies a subset of your personal data, but does not restrict it to only your content or files in private folders.

Still in doubt? Read this clause: In addition to those you explicitly provide, […] may also be inferred or derived from other data we collect. It completely denies any voluntary choice you may have in what you provide. There is no restriction to other data we collect. Is not even restricted to collecting the data through Windows. Any way of collecting data about you, even illegal, is made legal, because it is you will, as stated in said contract, when it says that Microsoft collects data with your consent. It does NOT say that you need to give your consent each time your data is collected. It says that Microsoft activities have your consent. It is a FACT as stated in the contract. Microsoft does not need you to consent ever again.

We also obtain data from third parties (including other companies). ANY third party. Anybody. Spying on you is now legal by any means. Remember, Microsoft now has the right to grab any of your passwords: Credentials. We collect passwords, password hints, and similar security information. It collects passwords. Not ONLY the ones you MAY provide. Not ONLY the ones belonging to you. Not ONLY computer passwords. If somebody has a locker combination written in a piece of paper, and that paper can be read by a webcam, Microsoft has the right to collect it.

It Collects Credentials. ANY credentials. Your passport is fair game. Your fingerprints, your drivers license, the card you use to cross a door at work, the wireless key needed to open your car, your photo, a 3D scan of your face, your pupil patterns, the makeup of the bombs you dropped in the ######ter this morning; ANY credential as is stated. So yes, absolutely and undeniable: it EXPLICITLY GIVES MICROSOFT PERMISSION TO ARBITRARILY TAKE YOUR FILES. Your files is not restricted to any specific computer. Not even a computer. Even a paper file is included.

Also if you read the contract, take in consideration that any word or phrase written in Uppercase is ONLY as a label, and it does not mean anything in a contract, unless defined in the contract.
For example, the title: How We Use Personal Data has no legal effect. You can delete it and nothing changes, unless some other clause defines it, or references it by that exact title, with that exact uppercase format. You cannot argue to a judge that ONLY that clause describes how your data is used. You cannot argue that you were misdirected by that text, the same way you cannot argue that you didn’t read the small letter because…

Bing services are also included within other Microsoft services, such as MSN Apps and Cortana, and Windows (which we refer to as Bing-powered experiences). So, if yo do read Bing-powered, it means Windows. You may access Bing-powered experiences when using other non-Microsoft services, such as those from Yahoo. So if you use Linux or Macintosh, and you use Firefox, which defaults to yahoo search, and you do not change Yahoo search to another search engine, you sign the contract.

So, as you can see, a contract is full of bobby traps. You may think that it says something, but actually it says something else entirely. Only a lawyer versed in this arena is trained to fully understand contracts, and this one is a really Orwellian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLiozMpqV80&t=2m39s

Do what you want. I personally don't care. But perhaps, just maybe, you should.

I will install it again as soon as it is compatible with my video card or if I have to install another video card.
Every time you install anything there is always the condition of "I ACCEPT" to almost anything on the web otherwise you would have no updates and no software. You want privacy stay off the grid, it unfortunately is the price we pay for being on it, or mostly not pay for free things. ::)

Fly from Portland wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

I will install it again as soon as it is compatible with my video card or if I have to install another video card. Every time you install anything there is always the condition of "I ACCEPT" to almost anything on the web otherwise you would have no updates and no software. You want privacy stay off the grid, it unfortunately is the price we pay for being on it, or mostly not pay for free things. ::)

Now that is asinine.

It's one thing to have your Government do this. Most national security orgs have been doing it for a long time. However, it's something else entirely to have a private corporation do this. 

I tried it 2 weeks ago. My FSX would shut down around the two hour mark. Not good on a cross country flight. I tried everything that I knew to remove all rest and sleep times, nothing helped. FSX also did not want to run in the full screen view which I had to keep switching back. Some of the FSX menu could not be seen in the reduced screen view. I rolled back to Windows 7 and happy again. Windows 10 is great if you like Apps.

I'm giving Win10 a year or two before I invest in it. I'd rather buy so when there's a problem, I can really stick it to support if I have an issue. But most of the time I figure out an OS so I end up fixing my own issues.  ::) However it's still too buggy for me to use for some of the other programs I have right now, still on Win7pro. I say if it's not broken, no need to fix.

I replaced Win8.1 Pro with Win10 Pro, but I haven't installed FSX or P3D in it yet.

As far as I can tell, you can opt out of the scary stuff that is a threat to our privacy, and I did them. Checking online, there are a lot of sites that can tell you what to do to turn that scary stuff off. Either during the installation, or after it has been installed.

I think I did something wrong during the upgrade, so I'm planing on reinstalling Win8 Pro (Win8.1 Pro was a free upgrade for Win8 Pro), then upgrading it to Win10 Pro using a "clean install" to make sure the partition doesn't end up like it is now. :(

Nick Cooper wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 7:21pm:

I must say that this topic has more than its fair share of misinformation. These are the bits that I know to be true. Whether or not you can roll back drivers, disable Windows features etc depends not on whether you paid for it but on the version. Which version you get depends on your version of Windows 7 or 8. For example, Windows 7 Home premium entitles you to Windows 10 Home. Windows 8 Pro to Windows 10 Pro and so on. As to privacy, Microsoft have one policy which can be viewed at their site. It applies to all Windows versions. If that is unacceptable to anyone, they need to look for a different OS provider altogether. While I cannot see into the future, unlike some seem to be able to, Microsoft have said that there will be no charge for updates to Windows 10 even though for one year it is offered free of charge. Windows 10 ships with Direct X 12 and for me it will run any software from Direct X 9 upwards. This naturally includes FSX and FSX Steam in Direct X 9 and Direct X 10. I don't have P3D. I don't have anything left that needs Direct X 8 or lower. @ Post#6 The larger FSX can easily be resolved by accessing the properties tag for all users of fsx.exe and ticking the "Disable display scaling  on high DPI settings" box. Windows 10 did this for me. While you're there, tick the "Run this program as an Administrator" too, then click on Apply. Finally, I have it, everything that worked before works now, often a little better.

""Finally, I have it, everything that worked before works now, often a little better"" ?????????????????????

in Response to "Nick Cooper" post ?

Mr. Cooper, you say you have "everything" that worked before , works now.

What Exactly may that be, enlighten everybody here just exactly what "everything" is exactly.

Very "Vague" information you provided, please go into more Detail and enlighten us !!

I am interested in knowing if Windows 10 will work on my system.  I am running fsx with Ultimate Traffic, Active Sky Next, and Plan-G.  Currently running under Windows 7 Home Premium, and this PC is totally dedicated to flight sim.  Just got everything running pretty well again after a recent hard drive crash.  Been hesitant to install the free Windows 10 upgrade, though it has been installed and is working fine on four other networked PCs.

Jim Kaye

Why change when it's running well?


I have installed 10 on two laptops but only because I can't stand 8.

My desktop is staying on W7 ultimate for the foreseeable future, it's working really well and the best MS operating system since 2000.

My wife's PC and my laptop are running W10 and there is nothing to complain about. But my desktop is staying and will stay on W7, at least for some time more, based on what is known up to now.

JetRanger wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 11:23pm:

""Finally, I have it, everything that worked before works now, often a little better"" ?????????????????????  in Response to "Nick Cooper" post ? Mr. Cooper, you say you have "everything" that worked before , works now. What Exactly may that be, enlighten everybody here just exactly what "everything" is exactly. Very "Vague" information you provided, please go into more Detail and enlighten us !!

Sorry, no.

Hi there, I recently got a new Windows 10 PC and would like to set up FSX there (not FSX.SE). I also would like to buy Captain Sim products for it, especially the 777. I know they don't support Windows 10 (so far): Could you please tell me if there is any chance that it will work fine? [Win 10, 2 TB HDD, Intel i7-Core, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 (4 GB GDDRS), 16 GB RAM]. And, by the way, how about other FSX Captain Sim products like the Tristar, the 727 or the 767, 757? Thanks in advance.  :)

(pretty) Please (with a cherry on top): If I'm wrong here asking my question please tell me where to do. Thanks a lot.
Bye

I would have hoped that someone using FSX and Captain Sim products on Windows 10, would have responded to this by now.

I have Windows 10 installed, but as yet, no FSX, or Captain Sim products, have been installed, so I can't provide you with an answer just yet. :(

Apparently the free offer of an upgrade to Windows 10 will end soon.  What is the status of Captain Sim making their planes compatible with Windows 10 before this happens?

Jim Kaye

Hi- I have had no issues with the C 130- 767 and 757. Seems that converting to W10 has no impact whatsoever.

Cheers

Is anyone using the Captain Sim 777 with Windows 10 with no issues?

Jim Kaye

Finally have fsx working with Windows 10.  Had to not select DX10 preview mode, used antialiasing, and Trilinear, as suggested by others.  Have not reinstalled Ultimate Traffic 2 yet, which I uninstalled after it gave the false message 'Please register this product before you try to use it'.  The 777 seems to fly just as it had with Windows 7, and hope the other Captain Sim aircraft will also.

Jim Kaye  :D

Seem to be having out of memory issues, which was seldom a problem with Windows 7.  May need to tweak some of my settings.  :-/

Jim Kaye

I have now been using Windows 10 for awhile.  Using the Captain Sim 777, and flying from KSEA to KSFO, I consistently would get Out of Memory errors with the settings I had previously used with Windows 7 Home Edition.  It appears that the OOM occurs when the VAS (using Process Explorer) gets up to about 3,200,000K.  I have been using 4 monitors - one for the instrument panel and 3 for the forward or spot view.  By only using three monitors, and cutting back on the graphics card settings in fsx I am able to complete this flight without OOM errors.  My Alienware Aurora system has 9 GB of DDR3 RAM,  and I just ordered 24 GB of DDR3 RAM, which hopefully will allow using all four monitors again and higher graphics settings.  I am also using ORBX scenery (PNW, Northern California) for this test flight.

The CS 777 seems to require more VAS than some of the other aircraft, but they also have OOM problems with 4 monitors.  Have not yet tried other CS aircraft, but the 777 flies very well.

Jim Kaye

Adding more memory won't solve your problem. FSX is a 32-bit application and it won't use more than 4GB under any circumstance.

The issue *should* come from excessive 2D panels open in several monitors. These consume memory like crazy. Try performing the same flight without any 2D panels open, VAS usage should be much less.

"'FSX is a 32-bit application and it won't use more than 4GB under any circumstance""

Tho True, what some fail to realize is that aside from running FSX, Flight Simmers often run other programs along side FSX, which require more RAM (Memory) to make everything work seamlessly !

They may include :
Flight Yokes
Rudder peddles
Throttle Quadrants
Eye or head tracking tracking software
Screen Recording software
AI Traffic software
Weather Software
GPS Navigation software
Multi-Screen set ups
and a host of who knows what software & Hardware

For the Basic Generic Flight Sim user, the above statement may hold true ,,,,,

But for the rest of us who are Deep into Flight Simming with some pretty complex Aircraft, the more RAM and the high quality Graphics card and Higher Quality Processor is whats needed ~ !!!  8-)

I have a decent Quad core processor
2GB XFX Graphics card
16GB of RAM

I use 2 separate computers - 1 solely just for Flight Simming only
The other which is almost identical with a tad bit less RAM for everyday general purpose computing and Editing my Flight Sim Videos for YOU TUBE.

Jetranger
Sim Hanger on YOU TUBE

I have completed two more flights from KSEA to KSFO, after installing 24 GB of RAM, replacing my 9 GB.  I tried using fairly high graphics settings to see when it would fail.  Using Process Explorer, the VAS was 4,104, 800K when it failed.  On the most recent flight to KSFO, was able to do a successful auto landing, taxi to the gate and shut down, but then it said out of memory with VAS 4,092,880K.  So the reply posted earlier is correct in that it appears to fail when VAS is just over 4,000,000K no matter how much memory is installed.  However before upgrading the memory it give OOM when the VAS was only 3,178,204K and 3,124,076K.  Not sure why this occurred, but OOM failures appear less likely than before adding the 24GB memory.  Using CPU-Z it confirms that I have 24 GB of memory.  However, using Control Panel, System, it says I have 24 GB of memory, but only 16 GB usable.  At any rate, I can now fly the 777-200 with all four monitors, using real world weather (have not tried Active Sky yet), with Plan-G on another networked computer, CH yoke and rudder pedals, and Butt Kicker enabled.  So I don't plan to revert back to Windows 7.  One issue with Windows 10 is that my 'Factory Overclocked' i7-920 will now only run a 2.67 GHz, rather than at 3.2.  On the Alienware forum others have experienced similar issues, even after upgrading the BIOS.

I hope this info is helpful to others who are considering upgrading to Windows 10.

Jim Kaye  :) :)

Since I put 32GB of RAM in my computer, FSX has run better. So my theory is this:

I think it all comes down to how much RAM Windows allows FSX to use. Once you have a certain amount of RAM on your computer available, FSX eventually gets the full 4GB of RAM it requires. This seems to be somewhere between 16GB and 32GB.

I have not had an OOM for a very long time now, and definitely not since I installed the 32GB of RAM. But then again, I no longer have any 3rd party scenery installed either (I uninstalled it some time after I put the 32GB of RAM in my computer), and when I did, it was only Obyx FTX (AU, NZNI, NZSI, and a lot of Aussie airports).

Edit. My system isn't overclocked, and only I only have a single 24" monitor (as per my specs in my signature).

I am using a Matrox TripleHead2Go to provide the spot plane or out the cockpit window views for 3 monitors, which gives a nice panoramic view.  At KSEA with four monitors the virtual size is about 3,100,000K.  If I turn off the fourth monitor, used for the instrument panel, the virtual size drops to about 2,900,000K.  In this case I use the buttons on the CH Products yoke to switch to the instrument panel view as needed.  I think your theory may be right in that with enough RAM FSX can use the full 4GB.  Interesting!

I am using ORBX scenery for the entire region - PNW and Northern California for this KSEA to KSFO flight.

Jim Kaye

I switched over to 10 a while back and found some of the same problems that I had with 8 are still there with all planes. One annoying problem is the crash to desktop. It seems to be random sometimes occurring within a few minutes and other times toward the end of the flight.

I just did a flight for about 45 minutes with the CS 757 and ad-on another company scenery. I left the mail program running and am using Logitech G-940 set-up for controls. I have the graphics sliders mostly to the right, maybe a few just back a notch to the left. NO CTD! Rare indeed. It doesn't seem to matter which planes I'm flying for the CTD.

As some of you may know, I present talks on cruise ships and use FSX as part of the talk. I have kept my ASUS laptop on Win 7 to avoid the CTD. I don't care for Steam, and don't like the look of P3D as yet.

Lou

I just installed Active Sky 2016 and Active Sky Cloud Art, and have been learning to use them as an update from Active Sky Next.  So far I have been very impressed.  Currently I am running under Windows 10, with my 3 primary monitors viewing either the virtual cockpit or spot plane views.  The fourth monitor is used with Plan-G3 for a moving map display.  Still have to check the virtual size with Process Explorer occasionally, since if it gets over 4 GB FSX will fail.  Just finished a test flight with the Captain Sim 777-200, KSFO to KSEA, AS 2016 real weather, Plan-G3 map, and ORBX Northern California and Pacific Northwest scenery.  I was concerned that there might be VAS issues, but my earlier addition of 24 GB of RAM may have resolved this. My frame rates are reasonable, the scenery looks great, and the CS 777 flies beautifully!

Jim Kaye :) :)