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Message started by cj95 on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:36am

Title: multiple magenta madness
Post by cj95 on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:36am
Been planning a trip to Transylvania in honor of Halloween, and I run across this while checking the plan.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/cj95/sdfsdf_zpsabda47a8.jpg


Multiple magenta route lines appear to criss cross over each other at random all along the route with no seeming connection to any waypoints.


I have manually rechecked each and every waypoint and found nothing wrong...no doubling back...no 'around the world legs'....

Even checked the same plan on the 767 with the same results.

The problem is probably in the plan which was generated in FSX except for the Departure which is from the FMC.

Not sure how to fix it however.

Title: Re: multiple magenta madness
Post by CoolP on Oct 19th, 2014 at 7:00pm
I'm just guessing since I saw other planes behaving like that too. If you already checked for the waypoint mishaps (you called them around the world legs), there's a chance that the (VECTORS) segment of departures and approaches causes some endless lines. This doesn't explain the multiple overlays though.  :-/

Title: Re: multiple magenta madness
Post by Markoz on Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:27pm
They are often caused by waypoints in the STAR/TRANS that are enclosed in the square brackets - [] - because they do not "connect" with the next waypoint. :(

Title: Re: multiple magenta madness
Post by CoolP on Oct 20th, 2014 at 2:40am
Good point. You mean conditional waypoints like "at 3000", "intercept" or "track", right? Maybe something on the supplied data format has changed so the FMC can not interpret them correctly.

Title: Re: multiple magenta madness
Post by cj95 on Oct 20th, 2014 at 3:17pm
Interesting.

Im not sure what will happen when I fly it, but Ill let yall know.

Ive tried several alternate routings but same story.

Title: Re: multiple magenta madness
Post by CoolP on Oct 20th, 2014 at 10:01pm
You could post the routes you are using and maybe the FMC (as screenshot) on the legs page, so that the folks can check which actual waypoint description triggers the issue. Maybe even attach the flight plan file.

Data is virtue.  :D

Title: Re: multiple magenta madness
Post by Markoz on Oct 21st, 2014 at 3:58am

CoolP wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 10:01pm:
You could post the routes you are using and maybe the FMC (as screenshot) on the legs page, so that the folks can check which actual waypoint description triggers the issue. Maybe even attach the flight plan file.

Data is virtue.  :D

+1 That would make it easier to figure out what might be happening. ;)

Title: Re: multiple magenta madness
Post by cj95 on Oct 21st, 2014 at 5:50am
Well you guys are too smart for me....

The route is : DVR UL9 KONAN UL607 AMASI UM149 DETEV UL603 DINKU UQ305 BIBAG UL605 NEKUL UM747 BALBI  


The flight plan is at https://www.mediafire.com/?7gxum9197kp5yko

I will be using one of the Heathrow Dover departures depending on winds and runways.



Most of the early waypoints are fine, but things start looking weird as  I step through them later on.

Title: Re: multiple magenta madness
Post by Blover on Oct 22nd, 2014 at 11:49pm
I will agree with Mark.  Happened to me around Ksea in the rockies.
My choice of STAR/TRANS created all this extra routes at the same time on the ND.  Out 100nm and back
I got worse around the airport, with the missed approach and the hold.
( and a bunch of new waypoints I had to follow manual to bring the plane to my runway of choice ) My plane followed the TRANS but not the STAR itself.
You train to be ready for the unexpected !!! ;D   ;D

Raymond      Boeing or nothing
New KFLL      South Florida

Title: Re: multiple magenta madness
Post by Markoz on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 2:28am
I just entered this route in the 757 FMC and it looks fine, I have no magenta lines going all over the place like in your image. :-/

The route:

EGLL RWY27R DVR5F.DVR UL9 KONAN UL607 AMASI UM149 DETEV UL603 DINKU UQ305 BIBAG UL605 NEKUL UM747 ENIMA TOSV1E.TOSVI ILS08R LROP

You will notice that I did not go to BALBI, I only went to ENIMA. This was because of the Runway and STAR I selected to land on.

You can download my EGLLLROP757.rt here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yero50b8jqpmi1f/EGLLLROP757.rt?dl=0

Save it in the FSX\Captain_Sim\navigation\routes folder

Load it into the FMC by clicking on the LSK 3L (beside <SEND on the RTE page), find EGLLLROP757 and click on the LSK beside it.


Then see if you still have the crazy magenta lines on your display (mine doesn't). ;)

NOTE. I downloaded your EGLLLROP.PLN, but I couldn't load it into my 757 FMC, so I created the route in the FMC from scratch.

Title: Re: multiple magenta madness
Post by cj95 on Oct 24th, 2014 at 11:16pm
I think it may have been related to the STAR after all.  I probaly misplaced the transition waypoint or some other stupidity.

The flight went well overall


Title: Re: multiple magenta madness
Post by Markoz on Oct 24th, 2014 at 11:41pm
One thing I never mentioned in my previous post was that when I open your EGLLLROP.PLN in notepad, some of the route is missing. It shows a what appears to be a Direct To between DINKU and NEKUL, so airways UQ305 and UL605 and all their waypoints seem to be missing. But I can't understand why the CS757 FMC wouldn't load it. I will give it another try later on. :-/

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