If you're like me you want your -200 to start up like a -200.  The current version surges ridiculously at N2=20 when you apply fuel. I've taken the fixed FDE version 1.1 from bud7h7 and modified it for a much more realistic start-up.  Nothing else should be affected.

You can download it from here:

http://www.fscaptain.net/downloads/csx732.air

If you choose to replace your csx732.air with this one, I recommend making a copy first!  Use this at your own risk, of course.  I do :)

Enjoy!

Dutch

That worked out nicely. Thanks!  :)

Say, did you alter the engine spool up behaviour in any way? That huge lag at high EPR settings is gone. Which is good! Or am I seeing things?  :-/

Not that I know of - but I am not an FDE expert.  What I did was replace the 1505 record in the air file with a 1505 record from another (freeware) air file that starts up correctly.  It may have inadvertently fixed the other problem you mention -- which is good!

Dutch

Thanks Dutch. Now for the 0.25 cent question, can you make one for the cargo version?

Does the cargo version use the same name?  (I don't have that version) - if it's named csx_732.air too, just use this one.

I don't know why they'd be different.

Dutch

Dutch, the air file is csx_733.air.

Well, Marvic, I don't have the cargo version so I can't modify the air file.  I might snag it in the Christmas sale though.  Stay tuned.

Dutch

one think you guys might wana try is just changing the name of the airfile to the name of the one for the Cargo one and see if it works, but also BACK UP!!! the Orginal one first though before you do this

Dutch,

Thanks for csx_732.air .

Sanal  :)

Dutch wrote on Nov 29^th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

Well, Marvic, I don't have the cargo version so I can't modify the air file.  I might snag it in the Christmas sale though.  Stay tuned. Dutch

Thanks Dutch. Also tried to rename the file and it does not work for me.

If you rename the file you have to change the aircraft.cfg to match.  For example rename csx733.air to csx732.air, you'll need to change any line in the aircraft.cfg that says

sim=csx733

to

sim=csx732

to match.

Dutch

I might be able to do the changes if I had the tools and the correct code to put in,
Do you guys think you could give me a link to the tool and the nesseary code?

Dutch wrote on Nov 28^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

Not that I know of - but I am not an FDE expert.  What I did was replace the 1505 record in the air file with a 1505 record from another (freeware) air file that starts up correctly.  It may have inadvertently fixed the other problem you mention -- which is good! Dutch

Hi Dutch,
I did an export (to txt file) of section 1505 from your air file and CS 200, ADV & C. Can't see any difference in the values between all 4 files.
Am I doing something wrong or is it a different section I should look at?
cheers, Lex

Well I found a difference in section 1506 Turbine Corrected Thrust Factor vs. CN1 and Mach. Will see what it looks (feels) like in Combi and Freighter version.

I use AirED and did a copy/paste from one file to another of the 1505 record - copy to clipboard on one, paste on another.  I didn't change any other record.  There was a dramatic difference in the numbers before and after I did my change.  That's all I can remember about it.   AirEd shows a graph of the table data.  The arcs were completely different looking and I could see why the original spooled up so super fast.

Dutch

me doesn't work ,at the start up it happening nothing .apu is still is on but engines doesn't start  it well .i do every thing what it in start up procedures writing .
anybody ?

N3su wrote on Dec 10^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

me doesn't work ,at the start up it happening nothing .apu is still is on but engines doesn't start  it well .i do every thing what it in start up procedures writing . anybody ?

Hi N3suten, the bleed switch needs to be on for the engine you are starting. This the only way you get pressure to turn the turbine.
APU bleed on
1 bleed on
1 start on
1 add fuel

try that.

Hi Marvic ,
many thanks for ur quick n smooth help ,i found the failure if i switch the Engine bleed air it illuminated a lamp with a subscribe  "DUAL BLEED" but i reed it as * Dual Failed * well.  :-[

now it works fine and pretty .

Best Regards  

sorry for my bad english


marvic wrote on Dec 10^th, 2012 at 6:38pm:

N3su wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 6:12pm: me doesn't work ,at the start up it happening nothing .apu is still is on but engines doesn't start  it well .i do every thing what it in start up procedures writing . anybody ? Hi N3suten, the bleed switch needs to be on for the engine you are starting. This the only way you get pressure to turn the turbine. APU bleed on 1 bleed on 1 start on 1 add fuel try that.

N3su wrote on Dec 10^th, 2012 at 6:57pm:

Hi Marvic , many thanks for ur quick n smooth help ,i found the failure if i switch the Engine bleed air it illuminated a lamp with a subscribe  "DUAL BLEED" but i reed it as * Dual Failed * well.  :-[ now it works fine and pretty . Best Regards   sorry for my bad english marvic wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 6:38pm: N3su wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 6:12pm: me doesn't work ,at the start up it happening nothing .apu is still is on but engines doesn't start  it well .i do every thing what it in start up procedures writing . anybody ? Hi N3suten, the bleed switch needs to be on for the engine you are starting. This the only way you get pressure to turn the turbine. APU bleed on 1 bleed on 1 start on 1 add fuel try that.

Great to hear you have it working.  English is NOT the only language in the world, No apologies needed.

Good day. I have the same problem. not rotate the turbine. I do everything on chek list:
apu on
bleed on
packs off
35 psi
ENGINE START switch GRD
N2 turns dead
Maybe there is something that I've missed? :'(

olegPanchuk wrote on Dec 26^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

Good day. I have the same problem. not rotate the turbine. I do everything on chek list: apu on bleed on packs off 35 psi ENGINE START switch GRD N2 turns dead Maybe there is something that I've missed? :'(

I see you have the bleed on, I'm guessing that is for the APU. Just make sure for the first engine you start, say number one, make sure the bleed is also on for that engine, otherwise no pressure will get to the engine. After starting number 1, then set number 2 engine bleed on and start that one. On the -100 & -200 series, the engine bleed switches also
put the pressure to the engines.
This is also the same for the GPU start procedure, if you open both engine bleed switches on start-up, there will be too much pressure loss to turn the turbine. I hope this helps.

Thanks, it worked. I opened the bleed two engines, as in other Boing that is my mistake.

I found that it worked very well, I might be imagining it but did it increase the thrust values? It seems like it's faster again after I have set the lower thrust value in the aircraft.cfg.

olegPanchuk wrote on Dec 27^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

Thanks, it worked. I opened the bleed two engines, as in other Boing that is my mistake.

Sorry for the late reply, glad it worked.