Post by CoolP on Mar 8th, 2011 at 2:34pm
Hi, guys. I'm just trying to collect some remaining items on the 707 which are still present in the 1.3 version of the Lady.
As some items from the 1.2 list got fixed (thanks for that), I had to redo the list. Thanks for your help on the old one. :) (which can be found here http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1287684648)
The purpose of this list is to show the remaining bugs with a description and a screenshot. Followed by a text of how it should be.
To discuss the item and to check whether it is user driven or an across-the-board lack of function in the 1.3 707 is the last step then.
After this verification, tickets have to be written to make sure the items can be processed through the Captain Sim Support.
Naming things in this thread alone does not help.
Every verified item has to be set up as a ticket via Your Profile > Customer Support > Trouble Ticket System.
This list isn't intended to show clear user related problems like "I can't start the engines" or "how do I get external power?" or system dependent ones (like the flashing textures).
1. Pressurization System
- the Cabin Alt readings are wrong (or the cabin isn't pressurized, which is most likely the case) and climb with the aircraft Alt
See the small needle of the No. 10 instrument? It should show the current cabin Alt while the big needle should read the differential pressure between cabin and aircraft outside in PSI.
The small needle follows the aircraft Alt which explains why the Oxygen System is still triggered above 14.000ft cabin Alt.
The big needle should read a differential pressure but has to be wrong if the cabin climbs with the aircraft Alt (same vaules). The differential pressure would then be 0.
- The Overhead Oxygen warnings (on the "Oxygen Pressure Panel") still come up which can only be explained by a not pressurized cabin.
- You then lose pressure in the oxygen cylinders as seen on the "Oxygen Pressure Panel" at the engineer's station. Same explanation, the cabin doesn't get pressurized.
So the Oxygen system seems to work correctly while the cabin doesn't get pressurized and therefor triggers the warnings and countermeasures above 14.000ft fyling altitude.
2. The "Coolant Air System Panel" is mixed up with the readings of the "Valve Position Indicator" and "Valve Selector Switch" or the "Turbofan Exit Valve Override Switches".
Talking about this panel
Now, lets look at the pictures that show those mixed up things.
Here you can see the "Turbofan Exit" position of that Switch. Although I set up one exit to be fully open and the other one to be fully closed, the readings show a "half open" (or "half closed" but we should think positive here) on both sides.
So the switches aren't operational it seems.
Now I switched to the "Temp Control" position and made no other changes and you can see, now we have those commanded "open" and "close" readings, but .. you can't command the temp control valves there because they are controlled on another panel concerning the cabin temp and such things.
There are some possibilities now.
The readings might be bound to the wrong switch position, the Valve Override Switches might control the wrong valves (they should influence the Turbofan Exits of course) or the "Valve Selector Switch" (optically) shows one position but is bound to another (internally).
3. The 10.000ft pointer of the standby altimeter isn't operational above 20.000ft. The manuals describe this pointer as one for the runway height, which seems to be wrong. It just points the 10.000ft steps of your current altitude.
So it should work like this (it only does below 20.000ft) - description made by Lou.
while the manuals describe this
4. Reversers can be operated without any power or pressure on the plane.
5. The new ACE Load Manager runs into trouble with metric values.
I've loaded one ULD and I can enter all kind of numbers in the ULD weight window, the overall weight always looks strange.
For example, enter 100kg per ULD and load one, you will get 20kg overall weight of the payload.
Pounds look ok though, giving you the numbers you've entered per ULD.
The Freighter also gets huge weights when you just switch the ACE to "kg". The values which described the weight in Pounds don't get changed then and just appear as kg now, more than doubling the weight then when you just click "save".
6. The Takeoff Warning System can't be triggered.
See the last sentence on this picture for details.
7. The gear warning horn doesn't come on, only the light does.
See item #2 here.
8. The fuel dumping systems only drains one side at a time, giving you a highly imbalanced plane then. Also, the dumping order is backwards since the Center Tank would be emptied first, than the 1-4 mains. See Reply #7 for details.
As some items from the 1.2 list got fixed (thanks for that), I had to redo the list. Thanks for your help on the old one. :) (which can be found here http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1287684648)
The purpose of this list is to show the remaining bugs with a description and a screenshot. Followed by a text of how it should be.
To discuss the item and to check whether it is user driven or an across-the-board lack of function in the 1.3 707 is the last step then.
After this verification, tickets have to be written to make sure the items can be processed through the Captain Sim Support.
Naming things in this thread alone does not help.
Every verified item has to be set up as a ticket via Your Profile > Customer Support > Trouble Ticket System.
This list isn't intended to show clear user related problems like "I can't start the engines" or "how do I get external power?" or system dependent ones (like the flashing textures).
1. Pressurization System
- the Cabin Alt readings are wrong (or the cabin isn't pressurized, which is most likely the case) and climb with the aircraft Alt
See the small needle of the No. 10 instrument? It should show the current cabin Alt while the big needle should read the differential pressure between cabin and aircraft outside in PSI.
The small needle follows the aircraft Alt which explains why the Oxygen System is still triggered above 14.000ft cabin Alt.
The big needle should read a differential pressure but has to be wrong if the cabin climbs with the aircraft Alt (same vaules). The differential pressure would then be 0.
- The Overhead Oxygen warnings (on the "Oxygen Pressure Panel") still come up which can only be explained by a not pressurized cabin.
- You then lose pressure in the oxygen cylinders as seen on the "Oxygen Pressure Panel" at the engineer's station. Same explanation, the cabin doesn't get pressurized.
So the Oxygen system seems to work correctly while the cabin doesn't get pressurized and therefor triggers the warnings and countermeasures above 14.000ft fyling altitude.
2. The "Coolant Air System Panel" is mixed up with the readings of the "Valve Position Indicator" and "Valve Selector Switch" or the "Turbofan Exit Valve Override Switches".
Talking about this panel
Now, lets look at the pictures that show those mixed up things.
Here you can see the "Turbofan Exit" position of that Switch. Although I set up one exit to be fully open and the other one to be fully closed, the readings show a "half open" (or "half closed" but we should think positive here) on both sides.
So the switches aren't operational it seems.
Now I switched to the "Temp Control" position and made no other changes and you can see, now we have those commanded "open" and "close" readings, but .. you can't command the temp control valves there because they are controlled on another panel concerning the cabin temp and such things.
There are some possibilities now.
The readings might be bound to the wrong switch position, the Valve Override Switches might control the wrong valves (they should influence the Turbofan Exits of course) or the "Valve Selector Switch" (optically) shows one position but is bound to another (internally).
3. The 10.000ft pointer of the standby altimeter isn't operational above 20.000ft. The manuals describe this pointer as one for the runway height, which seems to be wrong. It just points the 10.000ft steps of your current altitude.
So it should work like this (it only does below 20.000ft) - description made by Lou.
while the manuals describe this
4. Reversers can be operated without any power or pressure on the plane.
5. The new ACE Load Manager runs into trouble with metric values.
I've loaded one ULD and I can enter all kind of numbers in the ULD weight window, the overall weight always looks strange.
For example, enter 100kg per ULD and load one, you will get 20kg overall weight of the payload.
Pounds look ok though, giving you the numbers you've entered per ULD.
The Freighter also gets huge weights when you just switch the ACE to "kg". The values which described the weight in Pounds don't get changed then and just appear as kg now, more than doubling the weight then when you just click "save".
6. The Takeoff Warning System can't be triggered.
See the last sentence on this picture for details.
7. The gear warning horn doesn't come on, only the light does.
See item #2 here.
8. The fuel dumping systems only drains one side at a time, giving you a highly imbalanced plane then. Also, the dumping order is backwards since the Center Tank would be emptied first, than the 1-4 mains. See Reply #7 for details.