Shame on You, CaptainSim :'(!

This is the most unnecessary add-on ever programmed! There are numerous combat-simulators out there for those who want to fly them. At least since FS98, MSFS for me always was (and at least for me will ever be) a peaceful simulator where flight sim enthusiasts from all over the world come together for the purpose of having fun and enjoying a peaceful yet only simulated world where everyone can find his place to be. It is sad enough that this is only possible in a kind of parallel-universe based on computers and the internet. Let us keep at least this place peaceful. Those who want to play war games should go where they belong and meet the kind of people that fit to themselves.

Use your energies for developing more products like the historic boeing aircraft! There is still more than enough to do.

For the moment, I must say, the Boeing 707 was so far the last product I purchased from Captain Sim. I am sorry for that, but I will not support this war game nonsene.

Peaceful flying and happy landings

Stefan

Stefan, while I appreciate your viewpoint, maybe you can answer a short question after your prologue.

How exactly is your experience or even your installation harmed when other guys install weapons, scenery or something else to their PCs?
And maybe an additional one.
How is this global "peace" influenced if you or somebody else installs weapons or anything related to it into his simulator?

Do you think the game changed because you can shoot now? I could bet that your FSX installation still is the same and always will be until you change something in it. So your freedom isn't harmed at all while this strict "please develop something else" appeal actually does harm the freedom of other guys.  ;)
So one part of this peace you may be talking about should be the freedom to actually chose if you buy, use or like stuff, doesn't it?
We're talking about a simulator here, nothing which influences other people's lives, so the moral aspect of weapons in this thing is very weak in my eyes and shouldn't be stressed too much since this is just a game.

Well said CoolP!
You've just saved me a posting reply :)

CoolP wrote on Feb 5^th, 2011 at 7:41pm:

Stefan, while I appreciate your viewpoint, maybe you can answer a short question after your prologue. How exactly is your experience or even your installation harmed when other guys install weapons, scenery or something else to their PCs? It is not harmed at all. I absolutely accept the existence of combat flight simulators. Should everyone install, what he prefers. I can live with that. But I personally don't like war games. And maybe an additional one. How is this global "peace" influenced if you or somebody else installs weapons or anything related to it into his simulator? Most probably, this little add-on will not change anything, I agree with you. It is just a question of attitude. Do you think the game changed because you can shoot now? I could bet that your FSX installation still is the same and always will be until you change something in it. So your freedom isn't harmed at all while this strict "please develop something else" appeal actually does harm the freedom of other guys.  ;) Well I suggest CaptainSim to use their energies to improve their recent products. And there is enough to do, be honest. To point out this fact is not "harming people's freedom". It is a customer's right to ask for the improvement of known issues of products. So one part of this peace you may be talking about should be the freedom to actually chose if you buy, use or like stuff, doesn't it? We're talking about a simulator here, nothing which influences other people's lives, so the moral aspect of weapons in this thing is very weak in my eyes and shouldn't be stressed too much since this is just a game.

Well obviously I'm in a weak position, like the "old europe" (George W. Bush) was some years ago. Perhaps it is because I am german. And we have a very unhappy history (like many other nations btw, with the difference that Germany has drawn the consequences while many others did not).

But I agree with you, it's just a game or better, a piece of entertainment software. Things should not be stressed too much. So let's go flying.

Stefan

no my friend, this is the most necessary add-on ever built for FSX. You mentioned war simulators, ok then give me an example.

Lock-ON ? Wings over Israel ? DCS Heli Simulator thing ?

Have you ever looked their release dates ? Or graphics ?

We have REX we're flying like real world, we have all kinds of sceneries, military bases, aircraft carriers, jets, bombers. BUT, we dont have any fr**king missiles to launch...

That was a paradox and thanks to captain sim guys they changed this fact.

Think about possibilites, multiplayer clans, multiplayer massive on-line battles, single player missions, the income will be unlimited.

May be this will be over-rate but, i believe this add-on will renew Flight Sim communities, addon producers, maybe they will start to create more military addons and sceneries after this. Maybe they will create whole scenery (let's take vietnam for example) and scenery will be destructible (i'm not developer just a thought) and when we want to fly in Vietnam Era, we will activate scenery before entering FSX just like ORBX's FTX. (Don't steal my idea LOL) As i said before, i believe this will change whole facts in FSX and choices of military simulator community.

And do we have a demo or something ?

Thanks.
Sorry, no demo.
But video gives some idea:
http://www.captainsim.com/products/w001/video.html

We'll upload some more tonight.

Stefan, thanks for your answer and now we are actually sharing viewpoints on this development. A game just got expanded and some may like it, others not, but it still remains a game and is able to produce fun of any kind.

Nice outcome here.  :) Happy flights to all. (ok, some have to watch their six now  :P)

To be honest I am really disapointed... FSX is a Flight sim. It would have been much nicer to see a sensitive damage sim. or a virtual co-pilot. But a weapon sim for fsx?!! Just tried it at a friends system, and its really not that good! Its like playing a xbox arcade jet fighter game (hawkx..  :-X) If you want a good fighter aircraft sim get yourself a copy of LOMAC   :-X or ROF   :-X ! I love you CS but this is not good or new in anyway! you dont see the arms on any plane but the F18. It locks on its target by itself... btw there is not a lot of AI helping your enemys to get out of harm´s way.   :-? ... Even a nicely animated ground crew would have been better then this... I would rather buy a nice stair Truck for the 767/ 707 / 757 / than that....

FSX beats any other simulator in many aspects. So we think FSX deserves a weapon expansion.

PS: there are tons of military traffic in the pack.  

Quote:

FSX beats any other simulator in many aspects

...not really X-Plane and Rof  got way better flight dynamics! And dont get me started on the weapon systems of LOMAC. The only thing FSX does better are the graphics... And even if you have tons of military traffic...whats the use ,if they dont even know you are here????!! not to mention fire back at you, or trying anything to get out of the way????!! There is no actual conflict scenario or anything that would make it realistic....It s like shooting at girl Scouts, and they dont even know you are there!

PS: I never saw military airports with terminals and jetways for B52 bombers......

Quote:

May be this will be over-rate but, i believe this add-on will renew Flight Sim communities, addon producers, maybe they will start to create more military addons and sceneries after this. Maybe they will create whole scenery (let's take vietnam for example) and scenery will be destructible (i'm not developer just a thought) and when we want to fly in Vietnam Era, we will activate scenery before entering FSX just like ORBX's FTX. (Don't steal my idea LOL) As i said before, i believe this will change whole facts in FSX and choices of military simulator community.

If you want a War sim buy Virtual Battlespace 2!!!! its expensive, but the best war simulation out there!It has everything you want and more! But please leave FSX the way it is! A flight sim. for people how enjoy flying!!!! not shooting at each other!

sanchezuno wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 12:40am:

...not really X-Plane and Rof  got way better flight dynamics!

Everybody says that, but I have yet to be convinced of that.  I mean, it may just be that their default Cessna 172 is poorly designed, but it feels nothing like a real 172 (I have 132 hours in 172s...not a whole lot, but enough).

Don't even get me started on X-Plane's laughably bad ATC.  I don't even know why they bothered with it if they didn't plan on doing something even remotely functional.

We'll see how X-Plane 10 turns out, but I have been following X-Plane since version 5 and it has always been a non-starter for me.

...Now, as far as Weapon goes.  Seriously CaptainSim, THANK YOU!  I am arming my CaptainSim 757, 767, and 727 right now.  The next time a G** D***ed AI aircraft jumps in front of me on final, it is going to get a Sidewinder up its a**!

sanchezuno wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 1:00am:

Quote: May be this will be over-rate but, i believe this add-on will renew Flight Sim communities, addon producers, maybe they will start to create more military addons and sceneries after this. Maybe they will create whole scenery (let's take vietnam for example) and scenery will be destructible (i'm not developer just a thought) and when we want to fly in Vietnam Era, we will activate scenery before entering FSX just like ORBX's FTX. (Don't steal my idea LOL) As i said before, i believe this will change whole facts in FSX and choices of military simulator community. If you want a War sim buy Virtual Battlespace 2!!!! its expensive, but the best war simulation out there!It has everything you want and more! But please leave FSX the way it is! A flight sim. for people how enjoy flying!!!! not shooting at each other!

honestly, i don't understand why you hate weapons so much  :-? whatever

sanchezuno wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 1:00am:

But please leave FSX the way it is! A flight sim. for people how enjoy flying!!!! not shooting at each other!

Why do you care?  Don't install it.  I'm sure VATSIM and the like will respond in kind and ban Weapon.  No biggie.

Benzinger wrote on Feb 5^th, 2011 at 7:33pm:

Shame on You, CaptainSim :'(! This is the most unnecessary add-on ever programmed! There are numerous combat-simulators out there for those who want to fly them. At least since FS98, MSFS for me always was (and at least for me will ever be) a peaceful simulator where flight sim enthusiasts from all over the world come together for the purpose of having fun and enjoying a peaceful yet only simulated world where everyone can find his place to be. It is sad enough that this is only possible in a kind of parallel-universe based on computers and the internet. Let us keep at least this place peaceful. Those who want to play war games should go where they belong and meet the kind of people that fit to themselves. Use your energies for developing more products like the historic boeing aircraft! There is still more than enough to do. For the moment, I must say, the Boeing 707 was so far the last product I purchased from Captain Sim. I am sorry for that, but I will not support this war game nonsene. Peaceful flying and happy landings Stefan

Hi Stefan.

I guess you haven't been playing/using FS long enough then. I've been playing/using Flight Sim since 1983 (on a Commodore 64). I remember that the SUBLogic Flight Simulator 2 had a mode where you could fly a biplane and shoot down enemy AI aircraft and bomb specific targets. So this could be seen as a return to its roots.

Mark

Hi Mark,

I was well aware of that fact. This was the reason to point out "... at least since FS98...". I use flight simulators since my first computer (Schneider/Amstrad CPC 664, 1987). In fact, the first peace of software  I bought was a combat flight sim, a Spitfire. Then, there were no civil simulators on the market (or to be precise, I did not know nor could I get one). And yes, I DID shoot down some Luftwaffe bandits.

Well, "...returning to its roots..." goes a little bit too far for me. MSFS and its precessors in my eyes were clearly civil simulators. The "SHIFT-W"-option to start WW I again was just a little gimmick. The later development of MS CFS 1-3 ended for unknown reasons, and I did not miss them.

On the other hand, it is a fact, that military interest has always been the strongest motor for innovation and development in aviation. This goes back to the first days of flying and continues until today. Maybe, this will also go for FSX. Perhaps, future products for FSX will benefit from this piece of software we are talking about.

Under this aspect, let's just see what happens. Let the falcons fly their missions. For me beeing a former army paramedic and later on becoming a medical doctor in real life with a specialization in emergency and trauma care, I will fly a rescue chopper collecting the casualties behind the lines and bringing them back to MASH. ;)

Nice weekend

Stefan

Folks, let please let this stay where it belongs - YOUR choice. If you choose to use it, cool, if not, also cool. There are no decisions being made for you. If I fly a B-52 and bomb somewhere in South America, am I affecting you at all? I'm sure VATSIM will NOT ever have a way for it to be used there - so it's just an addon. It's not changing the sim at ALL unless you want it to.

As well, please make jokes or comments about race, religion, politics, etc
they can start page after page of forum fights.

Benzinger wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 8:48am:

I was well aware of that fact. This was the reason to point out "... at least since FS98...". I use flight simulators since my first computer (Schneider/Amstrad CPC 664, 1987). In fact, the first peace of software  I bought was a combat flight sim, a Spitfire. Then, there were no civil simulators on the market (or to be precise, I did not know nor could I get one). And yes, I DID shoot down some Luftwaffe bandits.

Sorry Stefan. The way it was written I took it that MSFS 98 was the time you started flight simming. I stand corrected.


Benzinger wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 8:48am:

Well, "...returning to its roots..." goes a little bit too far for me. MSFS and its precessors in my eyes were clearly civil simulators. The "SHIFT-W"-option to start WW I again was just a little gimmick. The later development of MS CFS 1-3 ended for unknown reasons, and I did not miss them.

Gimmick or not. It was the ability to shoot down AI aircraft and bomb targets, if one wanted to. That is the same thing that Weapon for FSX is. I still say it is like a return to how FS was in its early days.

Mark

Dude?

are you telling me the first time you jumped into the F-18 hornet from Acceleration you didn't try to push the fire button on the joystick and wish for guns.

Cmon

If you don't like it go hug a tree or something!

I am disappointed too. I hoped the efforts of the CS's development team were focused on most necessary things, like new airplanes or improvements in those already existing. But the marketing team knows, or thinks to know, what is better for them. It is a kind of bet, so good luck with this new add-on. :(

Pinatubo wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 10:59pm:

I  hoped the efforts of the CS's development team were focused on most necessary things, like new airplanes or improvements in those already existing.

We keep working on our existing key producs: http://www.captainsim.com/support/updates_calendar.html

New airliner (737) is in production. So there are really nothing to worry about excessive FSX militarization :)

The Weapon for FSX is one of the most inoffensive weapons in this world. It's just a bounce! bang! boom! PC fun. An airline plastic knife is way more dangerous thing.  ;)

For me personally - totally stupid question in the title of this threat. Sorry. Why? I can give You a small feedback - why devellopers like another company, CaptainSim, Vertigo Studios, A2A and many the others offer for us, simmers combat planes without weapons, without possibility to do combat flight, combat mission, to feel like combat pilot (a little) with ALL futures od M.Flight Simulators series? FS it is only series of navigation of fly or only for good screenshots with high level of scenes? As You see no... Dont like it? Don buy it. FSX never will be like combat sim (like DCS, IL-2, RoF ect.), with good Multiplayer with Combat Operations too - but this is the new way. Way only for part of feeling of combat operations. This is a reason. As You can see FSX it isnt only for Cessna, Beachcraft ect. sim.
I hope this tool will be continue. Continue for fun and some kind of fresh in FSX. I dont want to fly to shot 747, but when I want to take A2A new Spitfire Mk.1 it will be nice to put as AI Bf-109 Emil and try to not only catch him. Catch and shot him. This way will be more realistic for me. Im wrong? Im sure not!
Id like to see some of improvements of this new CS tool, but for me - good job and CS - please ignore opinion like this.

Far as I know, we're all over 18 here. (Some of us were 18 decades ago.) And most of us are well versed in the flightsim world of affairs.

I've owned at least a dozen flight sims, spent thousands on flightgear and upgrades, and have thousands of hours on flightsims, everything from FS98 to Falcon 4 to CFS1 to FSX and one thing I know for sure is that no one ever made me use even one sim or add-on and didn't want to and never, not once, did a sim or add-on someone else was using detract from my fun flying what I was flying.

Everyone flies the way they want to and dat's dat.  8-)

Hi...didn't even know there was a forum on this site..anyway, I'm a longtime fan of your products. The C-130 is an absolute joy to fly! I find it pretty exciting to see you folks release this addon with all the AI and scenery and all, but.. is the motto appropriate? More specifically, "Captain Sim Weapon for FSX is the first and the only true combat expansion ever made for any version of MS Flight Simulator." First. yes, indeed you folks released an addon of this kind first. But saying that you're the "only true" combat expansion?

Thanks for your comments.


ryanyomomma wrote on Feb 8^th, 2011 at 7:23am:

First. yes, indeed you folks released an addon of this kind first. But saying that you're the "only true" combat expansion? Doesn't that sound a little childish and directly pointing that line to another certain company who actually worked on the real counterpart of the aircraft they sell?

If you excuse me, one small correction first. It's not the 'only true' but 'the only' at all.

As far as Captain Sim Weapon for FSX is in fact the only combat expansion for FSX today, our statement is true and it does not sound childish :)

As soon as we buy and get another product we'll be happy to remove 'the only' from our texts.  

Captain Sim wrote on Feb 8^th, 2011 at 3:43pm:

Thanks for your comments. If you excuse me, one small correction first. It's not the 'only true' but 'the only' at all. As far as Captain Sim Weapon for FSX is in fact the only combat expansion for FSX today, our statement is true and it does not sound childish :) As soon as we buy and get another product we'll be happy to remove 'the only' from our texts.

I know that you know what company i'm talking about, and you know they were developing this same exact thing for over a year. Just because you crossed the finish line first, doesn't make that add-on the "only."

Like I said, don't get me wrong. I'm not questioning the product itself. I'm questioning the claims of Only and True.

EDIT: hallelujah to another unexisting product removed.

While I can see both sides of the argument for keeping weapons out of the sim or adding them, please, let's not get into a ridiculous slanging match over which of the current products released or in development is "better".

The answer is neither. They do different things. Both - depending on sales apparently - will evolve, by the sound of it towards each others' territory, but right now they do entirely different things so there's no direct comparison. Seriously, getting into "mine's better than yours" fights is utterly pointless and just wastes everyone's time and bandwidth.

Just to stay on topic, as I have said elsewhere, my take on this is that provided the weapons add-ons cannot affect the sim experience of someone who doesn't wish to use them (which is currently the case), I have no problem at all with them. But I do respect the wishes of those who don't want them as well. A heck of a lot of people do!!!

Ian P.

Benzinger wrote on Feb 5^th, 2011 at 7:33pm:

Shame on You, CaptainSim :'(! This is the most unnecessary add-on ever programmed! There are numerous combat-simulators out there for those who want to fly them. At least since FS98, MSFS for me always was (and at least for me will ever be) a peaceful simulator where flight sim enthusiasts from all over the world come together for the purpose of having fun and enjoying a peaceful yet only simulated world where everyone can find his place to be. It is sad enough that this is only possible in a kind of parallel-universe based on computers and the internet. Let us keep at least this place peaceful. Those who want to play war games should go where they belong and meet the kind of people that fit to themselves. Use your energies for developing more products like the historic boeing aircraft! There is still more than enough to do. For the moment, I must say, the Boeing 707 was so far the last product I purchased from Captain Sim. I am sorry for that, but I will not support this war game nonsene. Peaceful flying and happy landings Stefan

Nobody says you have to buy it. Really, frustrations should never ever end up on forums like this. Btw, even without any weapons, one could use a plane to do horrible things (9/11 anyone?).
So, don't buy it, but by saying that you will never buy anything else from CS, is only going to be your personal loss.

Happy flying.

Alcibiades wrote on Feb 8^th, 2011 at 1:40am:

... spent thousands on flightgear and upgrades...

;D OMG, one should always check what's been written before hitting 'post'. Flightgear is open source and free, and obviously you meant flight gear, so it sounded like you got yourselves ripped off, sideways.
;)

galatei wrote on Feb 8^th, 2011 at 10:33pm:

Alcibiades wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 1:40am: ... spent thousands on flightgear and upgrades... ;D OMG, one should always check what's been written before hitting 'post'. Flightgear is open source and free, and obviously you meant flight gear, so it sounded like you got yourselves ripped off, sideways. ;)

Yo, buddy, I'm married. If I need someone to tell me I'm stupid I can stay home with my wife.  ;)

ryanyomomma wrote on Feb 8^th, 2011 at 7:53pm:

Just because you crossed the finish line first, doesn't make that add-on the "only."

Right, that makes our product the first.


Quote:

I'm not questioning the product itself. I'm questioning the claims of Only and True.

Today it is the ONLY. I'm talking about existing (available to use) products.

Captain Sim wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 3:02pm:

ryanyomomma wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 7:53pm:  Just because you crossed the finish line first, doesn't make that add-on the "only." Right, that makes our product the first. Quote: I'm not questioning the product itself. I'm questioning the claims of Only and True. Today it is the ONLY. I'm talking about existing (available to use) products.

I find it rather funny that you till stand by that motto...or more so, you don't mention anything regarding "true." It really makes me question that sort of logic, considering I seen a 90% accurate SMS page, on the fly waypoint/tgt des through the UFD, and I seen accurate CCIP modes on two (even though there is 3) different payware a/c. You didn't even answer to any of the SMS modes, radar (in particular, ground radar which was already seen to be functional), and a true cage function. Do you have anything specific for any of those modes, or features that are current and parallel to NATOPS to say? I want to know why this addon will be more relevant to have...otherwise, I would just be buying this for the sceneries, and AI aircraft to shoot down using the other companies weapon addon..

technically, its still a win-win situation for you because I do have expressed interest in buying this.... at this point, I just want to know if you folks have anything new on the table...and unfortunately, the aircraft that company is basing their weapons addon is based off much newer avionics packages so unless Lockheed and the Air Force release the SOPs and specs for the F-22 or F-35, I don't see anything newer.

To sum up I put it simple:
As for today, our product is the only weapon for the entire FSX platform.
All features are clearly listed.
Do you like it? Buy, install, have fun!
You do not like it? Sorry, that's all we've got.  ;)

ryanyommma don't forget captain sim made this weapon for fsx for ALL AICRAFT/ROTORCRAFT. They can't specifically go into the avionics of a certain aircraft because that would entirely defeat the purpose of them releasing this.

Buy what you like, use what you buy. What's point of debating seniority or singularity?

Stinger wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 6:12pm:

ryanyommma don't forget captain sim made this weapon for fsx for ALL AICRAFT/ROTORCRAFT. They can't specifically go into the avionics of a certain aircraft because that would entirely defeat the purpose of them releasing this.

Obviously you haven't seen that the other company is also releasing an SDK for use in ALL AIRCRAFT like you just so elegantly informed me with.

Captain Sim wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 4:59pm:

To sum up I put it simple: As for today, our product is the only weapon for the entire FSX platform. All features are clearly listed. Do you like it? Buy, install, have fun! You do not like it? Sorry, that's all we've got.  ;)

so you're still on Only? Well...that shows a lot.

If its worth anything, I still will buy this product and make use of it. I think you, and especially other users are blind to the fact that I repeatedly stated support in ALL your products, and how I still wanted to buy this in the first place.

Thank you for support.

It's highly necessary for me, when I'm running short on time, to be able to blow away AI that is in front of me on final. Mark this, I ALWAYS send letters of condolences to the families of the people that were on those planes. ALWAYS.  ;)

biggles wrote on Feb 12^th, 2011 at 10:38pm:

I ALWAYS send letters of condolences to the families of the people that were on those planes. ALWAYS.  ;)

That has to be costing you quite a lot in postage stamps!  :D ;D

... now tell me if a payload drop isn't essential to the end of this movie?



Weapons in FSX is the coolest thing to happen to FSX since MS & CaptainSim made their F/A-18 for the Acceleration Pack. 8-)

=================

CS Staff,

Would you kindly add the B-52 and XLoad to this update list here: http://www.captainsim.com/support/updates_calendar.html
"We do continue development of the 707, 727, 757, 767 and C-130 series as our key products."
I would very much like see additional Weapons for FSX in the bomb bay, and any enhancements in the way of a Weapons Manager, and any other nice *toy* (like e.g. INS equipment) you can add to enhance these products.

Thank you for your consideration.

Markoz wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 12:46am:

biggles wrote on Feb 12th, 2011 at 10:38pm: I ALWAYS send letters of condolences to the families of the people that were on those planes. ALWAYS.  ;) That has to be costing you quite a lot in postage stamps!  :D ;D

But of course.

Where to begin?

To start, I am not affiliated with CS so I am not schilling on behalf of them or anyone else. I have purchased and continue to enjoy numerous CS products as well as examples from other companies including the one you mention. Having made that clear, and having followed your rants on this and other sites, I feel compelled to point out a couple of things.

First, your assertion that CS has somehow conspired to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes is utter nonsense. There isn't a company on earth with a marketing department worth their weight that doesn't assert that their product doesn't have some advantage over their competition. Also, for you to assume the people that frequent these forums are so blinded and deceived, is both insulting and presumptuous.

Second, I don't blame CS for removing references to other companies and/or products as it is their right. I am very active in several FSX company forums and it is a common and understandable practice. Why should a company who is trying to sell their products, go through all the effort and expense of forums and a web site to facilitate sales of someone else's product? Now I know you will no doubt point out that this is not necessarily the case at the other guy's site but this is one of the few exceptions. Most simply do not.

Third, you go on and on about how superior the othe guy's product is. Correct me if I'm wrong but it has yet to be released. How, aside from a couple of released promotional videos, on earth do you know exactly what the end product is going to be like?

Again I want to make a few things perfectly clear. I am not standing up for any company. Truth be told, I preordered the competitions product. That is my choice. I also think that the moderators of this forum have been quite lenient with regards to you voicing your opinions. But for the love of all that's holy, move on. You've more than made your feelings known. Any more just diminishes your message and makes you look like a nut job.

Tell me ryan what legacy hornet would you mean by that? And yes I'm well aware of the other companys capabilities because of the fact I'm one of there customers. And I hate people who just go around on forums bashing other equally hard working companys (like what you guys are doing on the other forums). Captain Sim has a right to censor other company's names out. It's their forum not yours. And who in the world said Captain Sim was trying to match up to the other company's product? Their product focuses on something different just like the other company's product does. So don't go making false assumptions when in fact you don't know anything about Captain Sim's intentions.

Have a nice day, I know i will....
Stinger OUT!