Got it..............I had to delete and re-install FSX to get fsx service pack 2 because I was getting an error message saying Service pack 2 needed to be the english version which was annoying because I know I have the fsx english version, I had service pack 1 but not 2 .........so it never got installed and the only way was to get rid of everything and start over.......so sorry for the sour grapes but life is good and the 727 works too........So Captain Sim is pretty cool after all..................... :D