JETPILOT wrote on May 13th, 2010 at 9:34am:
fred_garvin wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 8:30pm:I have adjusted the 727-200's aircraft config. The thrust scalar to be specific. I was not really looking for more speed as much as a little better ceiling. At my FSpassenger wts, I was falling out of the sky at 26,000 ft. I bumped the thrust scalar from 1 to 1.1 and it does make a good bit of difference.
I should say I adhere to the EPR numbers on this chart
http://www.boeing-727.com/Data/engine/engdata.html which can certainly make it a challenge.
If you look at the aircraft config is says a static thrust of 15500 lbs which would make it the -15 version of the engine.
I did read some former Piedmont Airline pilots speaking about altitude and speed. very early on they might cruise their brand new -100's as fast as M.8 but that was soon toned down to M.74-.78 once gas prices became a factor. The 727 was certainly not a high altitude aircraft, they said 31-33,000 was pretty common for operational flights.
As delta dog said, at heavy wts it is a fuel guzzling brute
I think it takes a lot of attention to flight profiles as well as patience to fly it efficiently To me efficiency is the key to getting the most out of it. Enough fuel to make the trip with a planned reserve and no more
Anyway, I get around 28-30 thousand ft comfortable cruise altitude and around M.74-75 using the chart EPR and the small change.
Thats close enough for me. If I did change anything else it probably would not be thrust, I have come to enjoy those long takeoff rolls!
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How do you adhere to the chart you posted when the thrust levers when firewalled won't go past 1.98 when the TO EPR at 59F @ SL should be 2.10/2.12 and that's still not firewall power. In the real plane with TO power set at 2.10/2.12 there is still more thrust available. So I'm a little confused.
The 727 in any form even with the Super 27 conversion wasn't a great climber. We had a 727-200 with -7 engines. We called it the -150. If we lost an engine going out of Bogata at V1 I would have shat my pants. The -9, were only marginally better climbers. The 727-ADV with the -15's were better yet but still not great performers. |
Sorry to have confused you Sir.
I adhere as close as possible to the charts, I find it adds to the experience.
As I said, close enough for me. If they left available power there would be dozens of us Grognards complaining its overpowered ;)
If its not perfect I am glad you mention the true numbers so they can be updated. But if CS doesn't get to it I am not going to lose sleep over it. They have to move on sometime or they are out of business.
In my opinion it is still the best 727 simulation out there for MSFS and I paid 10 Euros for it.
I would love to hear any 727 war stories you have to share. Bogota is one of my favorite cities in FS. I flew with some friends for a VA setup in the Andes mountains area of Northern South America in HS 748s Lots of fun. Particularly if you use the default ATC!