No, I'm not reporting a software fault - I don't believe it is one.  And yes, I have looked all over the place on Captain Sims's site and can't find the answer to my question.  
And I have read the manual and think I understand it.

Although I can get the autopilot to follow the heading bug's setting  I can't get it to acquire a VOR radial or ILS.

Help would be appreciated.

The basic problem with the 707 is that it has the wrong autopilot.  :(
The 707 should have a Bendix PB20 but C.S. put in the Sperry from the 727 along with most the cockpit bitmaps to save themselves the extra cost and effort to get it right.  >:(

Hopefully when they re-release the product we will get the correct systems and panels. ::)

Steve

Hello Steve, and thank you.

A pity, because otherwise it's a really great simulation.

I purchased the 707 a few weeks ago, and you are correct, the AP is whack. Looks like you are being ignored by the Captain. Or maybe they have their hands full with the 757 mess.......... :-/


Jack

Have you tried the fix available in our Support Section?

Hi.

Could you C.S people be a little more specific?  Where is this fix?

A fix for the ILS problem will be most welcome, and make me use the otherwise wonderfully modelled 707 again ( I gave up when i got and tried out the aircraft in the first place, because of lack of ILS landing possibilities)

Kindly


Jakob Arnholtz  ( Keen CS repainter)

Please browse this page for useful information: http://www.captainsim.com/cgi-bin/kb.pl?p=b707&i=21

Hello again C.S

Nice to hear from you so swiftly.
I have already visited these pages but there is, no answer to my specific problem: The Captain Sim 707's lack of ability to intercept and follow ILS and perfom a ILS landing procedure.

If you have the answer to this, I will be more than happy.

As I ( And many 0thers!) have mensioned in earler messages: These problems aside, it is a wonderfull product and it is a shame that your fine piece of work suffers from those anoying shortcommings.

Kindly

Jakob Arnholtz

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The basic problem with the 707 is that it has the wrong autopilot.  :( The 707 should have a Bendix PB20 but C.S. put in the Sperry from the 727

The Boeing 707 has used BOTH types of the AP.


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along with most the cockpit bitmaps to save themselves the extra cost and effort to get it right.

Not most but some, because the 707 and 727 flight deck frame and equipment are identical or very similar in some aspects.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c264/CODY614/fsscr141ilsgs1.jpg

Strange.....I do it all the time.....Page 5 of the Operations manual, I had the same problem at first with GS capture....It wont just go looking for the GS,You must find it,I think we are spoiled with the new "High Tech Autopilots".
I learned to get setup on the localiser first, then go after the glideslope. It has to meet certain criteria before it will engage! I.E. "Real close to the proper pitch/airspeed/rate-of-decent.....I wish I could remember where I saw that, as his explanation was far more concise.
Seriously.....It will take a little practice to get it....
Hope this helps?


Jeff

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The Boeing 707 has used BOTH types of the AP.

 :-?

I worked on 720s, 707-100 and 300(320, 320ADV, 320ADV with Improved Cowl, 320ADV with Stage 2 hush kits and 320ADV with stage 3 hush kitted JT3D-7 engines) from 1975 to 1998 as a ground maitainance engineer (FAA A&P and UK CAA Avionics) and flew 6,000+ hours as flight engineer on all different types but never once have I seen a 707 with a Sperry autopilot.
I have never been asked any questions about Sperry autopilots during any type technical exams and never seen any reference to them in Boeing maitainance manuals or Boeing or airline (TWA, Pan AM, NorthWest, BOAC, Air France, Lufthansa, Amercian, Pakistan, China etc, etc) operating manuals.

I have searched Airliners. net for pictures and searched google for information but cannot find any reference to B707s with Sperry autopilots. Maybe some obscure military version was fitted with one but I never heard of it.

Steve

I will add this? im no expert but should the ap alleron and elervator swtich work independantly?

if im wrong sorry. if im not why? this is also a problem with the 727.

Draken

draken1979 wrote on May 25^th, 2006 at 9:50pm:

I will add this? im no expert but should the ap alleron and elervator swtich work independantly? if im wrong sorry. if im not why? this is also a problem with the 727.

On the 707 autopilot (Bendix PB20) the aileron channel in manual mode was controlled by the turn knob in the center of the A/P control panel and it looked like the big knob in the center of the Sperry (727) A/P but it only controlled roll.
The elevator channel was controlled by two interconnected thumb wheels either side of the turn knob, rotate wheels forward, houses get bigger, rotate wheels aft, houses get smaller.

Hope this doesn't get deleted (shouldn't do as this is freeware) but I'd direct you to the DM Fflightsim website at http://www.dmflightsim.co.uk/ where you will find a nice freeware BAC1-11 which has the same A/P as the 707 and you can practice with it so you'll be ready when the "captains" put the correct one in the 707.

Steve

After some time away from the 707, I decided to come back to the old girl and get some time in with her.  The biggest problem I have is when I am climbing and I activate the autopilot, I can not control the pitch with the controller (yes I downloaded the "apfix"), but the pitch controller will not function as it should. :(  When I first bought the 707 (version 1.0), you had to click on the pitch controller just off center to the right, now with version 1.1, and the "apfix", I can't get the thing to do anything as far as up or down. >:(  I have followed the CaptSim forums for some time, and frankly am quite disappointed in the way the CaptSim personnel answer (or don't answer) their customers complaints.  They seem quite aloof in their answers, as if you interrupted their karma, or dropped a load on their dinner table.  Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy their products, to a degree (as long as they perform as promised).  It's just the attitude they exhibit in the answers would have put alot of other people on the unemployment roles.  Promising to fix a product and not delivering for what, 2 years now, can really get you a bad reputation as I have seen on alot of other forums.  I think the CaptSim personnel in charge should really consider getting their heads out of their four point of cantact, and start dealing with the people who keep them in business (THE CUSTOMERS), in a more professional and honest manner.  Of course this is all just one persons opinion. :)

I also haven't been able to figure out how to use pitch hold. Also, when you have heading hold enabled with only ailerons engaged the autopilot keeps messing with my elevator trim. I have to fly manually until cruising altitude. I have apfix.

I bought the 707 today and looked for the elusive pitch selector. Since I have the 727, I figured the 707 would have the same selector. Of course I didn't have much time to fly the airplane around and get the feel of the old bird, but my mission now is to find that darn pitch selector >:(

Update: I figured out where the pitch selector is :P

Joeflyer wrote on Mar 19^th, 2007 at 6:37pm:

I figured out where the pitch selector is

Where is it? I can't find it anywhere!

Over a year has gone by since my last visit on the autopilot issue, both Steve and I have worked and flown the 707 in real life and have been trying to tell you that your installed autopilot is the wrong one. Yours is a 727 autopilot and believe me I know for sure, as I currently fly the 727 in real life!

Cheers,

Diezel8's for ever!

Not just the autopilot, but the overhead panel too.  :'( Plus the weather radar and some more. Please Captain Sim, fix this mistake.

For now I'll be happy if the autopilot is a) changed to the correct one, b) the autopilot is fixed. Even with the update (fix) this autopilot is useless.

I offered you guys to help you with the 707, I have worked on the airplane in real life and flown it as a Flight Engineer,.

The autopilot still works OK. I can do ILS landings, maintain flight level etc. But it would be good if we could have the correct models. I mean, its like having an B-2 Spirit stealth bomber with a propeller as its engine.  :D Captain Sim can do much better than that, and if they still want to keep its customers happy, they have to listen to what they have to say sometimes.  ;) I'm not asking that CS fixes this RIGHT AWAY, but just that they add it on their to do list. Even if it will take a while for them to make, it would be much appreciated. I know that its not just a simply programming, because you CS will have to make new manuals, tell Just Flight to change theirs as well and a whole lot more. Its a lot to ask, but we deserve it.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r6/Picture-Editor/707%20Professional/b2_ove1.jpg
B-2 Spirit

diezel8 wrote on Aug 25^th, 2007 at 4:51pm:

For now I'll be happy if the autopilot is a) changed to the correct one, b) the autopilot is fixed. Even with the update (fix) this autopilot is useless. I offered you guys to help you with the 707, I have worked on the airplane in real life and flown it as a Flight Engineer,.

Thank you for generous offer.
As to the subject - please read the first page of the topic, we have already answered both questions.