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707 Captain >> 707 Captain >> Old v. Modern Liveries https://www.captainsim.org/forum/csf.pl?num=1310882186 Message started by boeing247 on Jul 17^th, 2011 at 5:56am

Title: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by boeing247 on Jul 17^th, 2011 at 5:56am

Airline liveries have changed a lot over the years, and I was wondering which ones people liked more.

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by Markoz on Jul 17^th, 2011 at 6:40am

No vote from me because it's difficult to say. Because:
It all comes down to the aircraft itself. Retro suits older aircraft (707) while modern suits the newer aircraft (777).

Nathan did a retro Qantas V-Jet livery for the 707 as well as a modern Qantas livery. Both look great on the 707, but I prefer the older V-Jet livery. Because it suits the 707. IMO.

Mark

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by boeing247 on Jul 17^th, 2011 at 5:53pm

That is true. What about planes like the 747 and 757 which came out around the time airlines started switching to more modern paint schemes?

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by Markoz on Jul 17^th, 2011 at 7:44pm

boeing247 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2011 at 5:53pm:

That is true. What about planes like the 747 and 757 which came out around the time airlines started switching to more modern paint schemes?

It still remains the same. The Qantas paint scheme from the 1970's is quite different from 2000's. So in reality, I like the paint scheme from the same period as the plane. Just my preference. ;)

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by boeing247 on Jul 17^th, 2011 at 7:51pm

I'll make that an option. �;)

Okay, now you can vote "Depends on the plane."

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by John007 on Jul 17^th, 2011 at 10:00pm

Markoz wrote on Jul 17^th, 2011 at 6:40am:

I agree lets say on the 707 i like the older liveries and on the 767 i like newer liveries

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by Pinatubo on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 12:04am

My vote goes to "Depends on the plane". Old planes, old liveries; new planes, new liveries. IMHO, doesn't make sense old ones with new liveries, and vice versa.

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by boeing247 on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 1:04am

Well, yeah. Obviously an old livery would not look good on a 787. ;D

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by BrianG on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 4:12am

I agree with everyone else. Old plane, old livery. New plane, new livery

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by boeing247 on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 4:54am

You know, what I was really asking was if you looked at just the paint scheme (without the plane, that is), which ones would you like more?
Or does it still depend on the plane? ;)

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by Markoz on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 10:00am

I find it hard to "like" a modern paint scheme on an aircraft that has been retired, by the company, long before the new scheme showed up. I think it's because I can remember seeing those older paint schemes as a youngster. For those who were not around to actually see them at airports in their youth, I can see why you look at them that way. I'm too old to see it your way. ;D

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by boeing247 on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 3:52pm

So I assume you like the retro liveries that airlines do from time to time?

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by Markoz on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 4:17pm

Not necessarily. It is what I remember from when I was young, that I find nostalgic. None of this retro paint scheme stuff on a modern airliner.

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by boeing247 on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 5:19pm

Ah. What's the oldest plane you ever got to fly on?

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by Markoz on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 5:29pm

Not 100% sure. I know I flew from Singapore to Melbourne on a 707 in November 1963. I flew on other aircraft prior to that, but I have no idea what they were, I was a bit too young to know. It's no good me asking my mother, she wouldn't have a clue. I can ask my father because he passed away years ago. He definitely would have known what they were.

Mark

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by pj747 on Jul 19^th, 2011 at 12:26am

Delta's original widget livery is one of the best IMHO, even though I have a thing for Delta; its iconic too, 30 years, I think thats longer than most...

I also think that the United Livery (pre-tulip) was better than the tulip ones. Pan Am's livery was good, and TWA's jet liveries were cool too. I also think that the Boeing yellow and brown liveries were cool. However, some modern ones are better than their airline's old ones. KLM's Blue top is better than the old one, same with Cathay Pacific, British Airways and Aeroflot.

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by boeing247 on Jul 19^th, 2011 at 1:26am

It seems like a lot of European airlines started out with liveries that weren't as good as today's.

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by BrianG on Jul 19^th, 2011 at 1:45am

In general, the old liveries were much more linear and if done properly, really followed the line of the planes and enhanced the design of the plane from a visual standpoint. Today's liveries seem more loud and don't do as much to enhance the beauty of the aircraft itself.

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by Pinatubo on Jul 19^th, 2011 at 2:54am

Just curious. How many forum fellows flew on a real B-707?

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by BrianG on Jul 19^th, 2011 at 3:04am

I flew on one from Seattle to Anchorage in 1965 and then a Northwest 707 from Seattle to Honolulu. I was 9 years old on the Honolulu trip so I remember it well. That was in 1969

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by Pinatubo on Jul 19^th, 2011 at 3:38am

Thanks BrianG.

I remember I flew three times on B-707. The first time was a round trip flight from Rio de Janeiro to London in february/june 1974 (old and good Varig Airlines). Seventeen years later I flew a domestic flight. The international routes were already being made by DC-10 and B-747. At this time (1991), there were no more than few 707 flying in brazilian airlines and only in domestic routes. Months or years later (I don't remember), all the remaining 707, were converted in cargo ones until they disappear at all. Nowadays only the good memories remain.

Title: Re: Old v. Modern Liveries
Post by Markoz on Jul 19^th, 2011 at 6:10am

When I flew on the 707 from Singapore to Melbourne (via Darwin), I got a King Neptune certificate:

I asked my mother if she knew where it was (if she still had it) and if I could get it of her. She hadn't seen it since some time the mid 70's. I was so sad because it was gone forever. Or so I had thought.

I showed my wife the picture above and the conversation goes like this:

Wife: "I've seen that!".
Me: "IN real life?"
Wife: "Yes."
Me: "When? Where?"
Wife: "In a box of your stuff!"
Me: "Holey &%@#. I still have it somewhere!!!! Yahoo!!!"
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I haven't found which box yet. I have so many that have been sealed for years.

Another thing of interest about that flight was that when we got to Darwin, there was an announcement that President John F. Kennedy had been assassinated. :'(

Mark