Hi Captain Sim,

Just wondering if you'd consider doing the Boeing 747 Classics to the pro line standard, i.e. the 747-100, 200 and 300, think it would be a BIG seller!  ;D

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Boeing/Boeing-747-121/0515706/L/

Thanks,
Alan.

Yes, all nice models. Just Flight has a 747-200/-300 series, but everybody has ignored the all important 747-100. I would howev er like to see a Douglas DC-8 first, the second american jet and ignored by everybody.

It would be nice to fly RA001 (the first 747).

You mean the City of Everett? That is teh official name of the 747 prototype.

Yep. That one. The call sign was RA001.

701151 wrote on Mar 8^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Yes, all nice models. Just Flight has a 747-200/-300 series, but everybody has ignored the all important 747-100. I would howev er like to see a Douglas DC-8 first, the second american jet and ignored by everybody.

Just flight's/CLS's is a light model though, it would be great to have the early 747s as a Pro Line product. Don't know much about the DC8 so can't comment on that.

Also the 747 would fit in nicely with CS's other addons, 707, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767   :)

Heres an album featuring 'City of Everett' looking in a bit of a sorry state at the Museum of Flight in Seattle, They should move this aviation icon indoors to protect it from further degradation!

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?album=5975

This is the DC-8 below. It was the second american jetliner, made by Douglas, and is much tougher than the 707. They still have many in service today. Dused them for a long time, since they had variants taht were streched past the longest 707. They were easily re-engined and made great planes still. They were the workhorse for both United and Delta Air Lines for many years.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2618/4125018481_917fb8738c.jpg

Interesting! Though it does look like the 707! Will have to read up on the DC8... Still want a 747 though!!  ;)

However, the cowlings are different, and the nose is the ditinctive Douglas/McDonnel Douglas narrowbody shape.

It looks almost like an MD-81 with wing-mounted engines... the fuselage seems pretty similar.

Exactly the same. The DC-9 which became the MD-80 and MD-90 and 717 series is the same. Just as the Boeing 707,720,727,737, and 757 all share the same fuselage. However, the 757 has a different front shape, it is still the same fuselage design.

The DOuglas DC-9, one of Delta's last
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2674/3883121272_9faf4af951_z.jpg

Here is a Douglas DC-8 wre-engined with CFM56 engines, proving more rugged, and expendable than the 707.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5175/5516027217_28005b34a0_z.jpg

I agree, a 747-100/? would be very nice indeed.

DF was going to do a DC-8 but for some reason the project has pretty much stalled.  Sad day when I heard it.  I'm hoping another developer like CLS will do one.

What's DF what developer is that?

I was just about to create a post on this very topic. The RFP 747 was the best 747 out there in terms of the in-depth systems. I would really like to see Captainsim take this to another level with a superb model of the 747-100,200,300 ( both Pax and freighter ) While I am all for a new top notch model of these aircrafts, I am also hoping that if this venture is possible, that the systems side of such a product will not suffer. Captsim will have to surpass the complexity of the RFP 747 and deliver something that will blow everyone away. I know it is not possible to have EVERY switch and circuit breaker working but what we need is a product that is geared to hardcore simmers where flying procedures are concerned.

What about the 747-SP?? I love this aircraft!!

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Qantas/Boeing-747SP-38/0188342/L/&sid=e32c3fd1d34f5899516e197b024ff4af

747SP? Must I go over this again?

http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1297524176 read all my comments please....

Hey, sorry about that.

However I don't really agree with you on that one. While the 747SP was not as popular and, while the 741/2/3 were more popular, I can still see this as a great addon for fsx. What is the problem with it?? Any large 4 jet engined aircraft with the ability to operate from Wellington NZ on a regular basis will always have respect from me!! [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

The Existane of teh 747SP was to have a plane that was smaller and lighter, with a 747 design thta could go farther than the 747-100. The technology didn't exist at the time to make a 747-100 have increased range. Once the 747-200 then the 747-300 came out, the 747SP was obsolete as the latter could carry way more people, cargo with the same range. I'd rather be flying a full-sized 747 say a -200 or -300 (or -400 [even a -8]) there, its still a 747, but bigger cooler, and the 747SP doesn't even land shorter.

701151 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2011 at 12:41pm:

The Existane of teh 747SP was to have a plane that was smaller and lighter, with a 747 design thta could go farther than the 747-100. The technology didn't exist at the time to make a 747-100 have increased range. Once the 747-200 then the 747-300 came out, the 747SP was obsolete as the latter could carry way more people, cargo with the same range. I'd rather be flying a full-sized 747 say a -200 or -300 (or -400 [even a -8]) there, its still a 747, but bigger cooler, and the 747SP doesn't even land shorter.

That's all good and fine, pj747, but as you can see, there is at least one, probably more, that would like the 747-SP. You didn't see me making negative comments about your wanting Captain Sim to do a DC-8 which I don't care for. Nor for the 747-8i/F, which another developer has already done and so we already have it. I believe Captain Sim could and would make a better one, but we can't expect them to make them all (but oh how I wish they could!). We each have our preferences. And the 747-SP is nzaviationrules preference. ;)

Mark

Sorry if i'm causing fuss, but I guess it's what you like isn't it(like Mark said-thanks mate!!).

Cheers,
Joe. :) :)

A -200 and -300 would be nice, especially because I just bought that from a certain company and was much less than pleased. I've yet to be disappointed by Captain Sim.  ;D

Yes it is what we would like. But the thing about these threads about an aircrasft wish or suggestion is that we CAN voice our opinions, and what we'd like to see and not like to see.

Yes, PJ747 this is a thread where you can post you're opinions- But it is also one where I can post mine. So I suggest we drop this whole SP is ugly vs SP is not and let captain sim make their own decisions, for this thread is for suggesting ideas, not taking other people's down, am I not correct?? :)

Cheers,
nzaviationrules. :)

Never said it was ugly.....

Oh I spose..... ;)

Its a bit stubby though, I still wouldn't object to having it for a review, just not my preference if you know what I mean....  ;)

Don't get me started on it's length hehe;D
Still pretty cool, along with the -200 and -400(I don't like the -300 as much as AirNZ didn't have it!! ;) Which brings me onto saying, why do I actually like it- QANTAS had it!!!!  :exclamation :exclamation Guess it is close to home----ish ;) ;).

nzaviationrules wrote on Mar 26^th, 2011 at 8:50pm:

Don't get me started on it's length hehe;D Still pretty cool, along with the -200 and -400(I don't like the -300 as much as AirNZ didn't have it!! ;) Which brings me onto saying, why do I actually like it- QANTAS had it!!!!  :exclamation :exclamation Guess it is close to home----ish ;) ;).

That's ok, you're our Eastern Island.  :P :-*

I too love the old -SP and it would be easy to fit into a 100/200/300 line.
I wish CS would also consider an early 747.

A DC8, now that IS butt ugly!  ;)

EDIT" Sheep next to the runway...in New Zealand....NAH!
OK I 'll stop the Kiwi jokes now.  8-)

I now have a small dose of tall poppy fever ;)Thanks Cappy ;)

At least we don't walk around in Speedo's showing off beer bellies.....hehe..... ;)

And what is wrong with the DC-8, Air New Zealand had it haha....but yes I do like the SP, and it probably wouldn't be hard for CS to integrate it, similar avionics, with really only exterior differences, such as single slotted flap systems etc,.

And bring on the kiwi jokes--I will happily show off some of the jokes about Aussies I take so much pride in dishing out--although they probably mostly aren't appropriate for this forum.... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Good afternoon everybody,

nzaviationrules, you're not alone who wants a 747 SP. There is a topic in this part of forum speaking about this :
http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1297524176

I'd like that Captain sim make a 747SP ( I love "line" EPR/N1/N2 gauge like a thermometer ).

Have a good day
Yannick

Ohhh, I do believe I looked at that-- I shall keep an eye on that thread....
And secondly, your from France--please tell me that the pass that scored France the try that won the game for them in the Rugby World Cup 2008 was forward!! ;D ;D(assuming you followed it, and you weren't the referee...)

Ohh, and thirdly, on topic this time ;), I to love the avionics in this aircraft--the 747 range avionics, they feel a bit more "hands on" than any other comparably sized aircraft....a feeling I would much like to have in an airliner.... :) :)

Good morning everybody.

nzaviationrules, I'm french and I can say that the pass in the Rugby World cup 2007 was forward ( that's the first time that an English referee is gentle with a french team hihihi ).
Where do you come from ?

I think the fact that Captain sim makes classical jets, it's a very good idea. I'm not a good virtual pilot ( I'm a newbie ), but I think it's change from modern airliners with glass cockpit. There are so much things to think during a flight, it's more interesting then monitoring the computer ( FMC ).

Have a good day

Friendly

Yannick
PS : sorry about my so poor english

I agree with Yannick. While I'm flying the 707, I actually have something to do (mess with the doppler), whereas in the more modern jets, I just turn on the autopilot and sit back. I never use VNAV or ILS because then all you actually do is taxi around. In a real airplane, there would be things to do, but in Flight Sim, not so much.

Oh, glad you agree with the forward pass!! That ref needs his eyesight checked.... ;D ;D

I am from NZ, living there now in Christchurch--where are you from in France??

I totally agree with you and Boeing247 in terms of the older, less modern cockpits- I absouletly love the worn in, raw flying feel to them more than anything-sheer fun, and a great way to get your head around the way the systems work in those cockpits :D :D

Being American, the most rugby I have ever seen is watching the movie "Invictus" (yep, we're that country who name the sport where you only kick the ball once "football"  :P). So anyways, watched a video, and I now know what you're talking about.

Also, like Yannick, I'm a no expert in aviation, and the old navigation systems (my rule is, if I can work the navigation system, it's a good plane) are simpler than the new ones. Well, maybe not the navigation systems themselves, but learning how to work the FMC is slow. I learned how to work the Doppler radar in about ten minutes.  :)

Good morning everybody,
I live at Paris. It's amazing the fact that this forum can get meeting together aircraft fans from 3 different continents. New Zealand must be a very beautiful country.
Boeing 247, you're a better pilot than me because you can land your 707 without ILS and you can use the doppler and the INS... I fly whit the default FSX ATC who sometimes make me crazy ( in the last fly I've must do 2 Go around because a Cessna was on final approach 4Mn behind me... ).
But, for coming back of this main topic, I'hope that Captain sim continue making classical jet like a 747 100/200 or SP. They make so beautiful aircraft and not to hard to play with after some training flights.

Friendly

Yannick

P.S : sometimes I Fly with the 767 Captain ( after programming the FMC it's funny to pilot him ), and I regret that there is not an air Mauritius Livery ( Markoz in an other topic that an air mauritius 767-200ER have done the furthest flight with this kind of bird )

The main reason I don't use ILS is because of things like what happened to me last night. I was sitting  in front of my computer for an hour flying to Istanbul. When I got near the airport, the tower vectored me wrong and decided I should land on a taxiway  :P. ILS wouldn't have done me much good there.  ;)

Anyways, the doppler isn't that hard to use. There's detailed instructions in the second manual. The INS is a lot harder, though, and I know a good video tutorial if you need one. While I can use the INS (shakily, albeit), I don't because Lou tells me that the 707 really used doppler, and not INS.

How on earth does the ATC instruct you to land on a Taxiway instead of a Runway? I've never had that happen. Not even with add-on airports. The worst thing I have had happen, is the Control Tower (not ATC) at HNL give me instructions to land my 707-300 on Water Runway 04. Like I'm going to do that! ;D

Mark

Yannick Rochet,

Afin de profiter de ce passe-temps vous avez juste besoin de pratiquer.
N'est pas difficile, vraiment!

Louis  ;D

They didn't instruct me to land on the taxiway, but they vectored me to the point where there was no possible way I was going to touch down on the runway.

Good Afternoon everybody,

Louis, thank you very much for yours few words in french. Cà me fait très plaisir, merci ! And that's the first time that I can speak to an aircraft captain. It's a great honour. You're giving me countenance for try to flight whis the fantastic bird which is the 707 captain.

Boeing 247, I hope that the FSX ATC at Istambul is now looking for another job. Which others Captain Sim planes have you got, and which is your favorite ? I hope this question is allowed in this forum.

Have a good end of day

Friendly

Yannick

However, the cowlings are different, and the nose is the ditinctive Douglas/McDonnel Douglas narrowbody shape

From an earlier quote, the problem with the DC 8 is the modifications it had. The wing cowlings, winbg sweep, engines,length, speed were all continually changed. It is like making a new plane altogether for FSX modellers. The 747 classics would be great. I would like to use both cockpit versions of the 747. The engine variants, range and other things would be difficult though. Also, for the Frenchies (not trying to be mean, just British) use Google translate if you are having language problems.

Yannick,
I have the 767-300 and Freighter, the 757-200 and freighter, the 727-100, the 707-300, the B-52, the C-130 for FSX, and Weapon. I couldn't really say what my favorite is, but it's either the 767, the 707, or Weapon. They're pretty different, so they're hard to compare, but it's probably the 707.

Just heard CLS is updating their 747-200/300 to 1.5, with an FMC, such a big upgrade you have to pay!

There FMC (F-Lite) is no where near as complex as the ones used by most of the other developers. I can't see this being any different really.

Mark

I talked to one of their developers and they say an even more advanced upgrade is to come, which may include more systems, and an all-new product may possibly come out as a non-lite version. and remember guys, they're making a 'lite' version so don't criticize them too much.

Note most 747 Classics were never equipped with FMS, the notable exception being the British Airways' fleet, which later ended up in Air Atlanta Icelandic. For the vast majority of 747 classics the most advanced gear they got before retirement was the Litton LTN-92 INS.

As for the CLS model, I hope they seriously improve the look of the gauges because they currently look like they were made from MS paint. ;D Also they need to make the round analog engine gauges because that's what the majority of 747 classics have, rather than the KSSU/TWA style tape gauges.  ;)

Honeywell FMS in action. Source:http://www.billzilla.org/aviationpage4.html

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Captain Sim, you have to do the 747 now, you've done all the others! (except the 717 and 787!) In fact, while we're at it, you might as well do those too!!! ;D

It will be awhile before it's possible to make an accurate 787 (but I'd definitely want one), and the 717 isn't really a Boeing plane, so it's not considered part of the series.

It depends on what 717 we're talking about  ;D

I mean that it wasn't made by Boeing. Is there another 717 that I don't know about?

Yes, Boeing gave a 717 designation to 707 models that were destined for Military uses, however this was little known, so they reused the name on the McDonnell Douglas MD-95.

Huh. Interesting. There's some trivia I can stump people with.  ;)

I'd love to the a Captain Sim 747! Especially a -100! And the City Of Everett. Last year I went to Seattle and saw the City Of Everett and She's a beauty! But the paint is fading away and the plane is corroded in spots. But it was awesome to see the plane with all of it's original paint, engine, parts etc.

701151 wrote on Apr 28^th, 2011 at 1:25pm:

Yes, Boeing gave a 717 designation to 707 models that were destined for Military uses, however this was little known, so they reused the name on the McDonnell Douglas MD-95.

Yes, but I also thought they used the name on the 720 (for awhile).

NNewcomb wrote on May 3^rd, 2011 at 8:04pm:

I'd love to the a Captain Sim 747! Especially a -100! And the City Of Everett. Last year I went to Seattle and saw the City Of Everett and She's a beauty! But the paint is fading away and the plane is corroded in spots. But it was awesome to see the plane with all of it's original paint, engine, parts etc.

I read that for the debuts of a new 747 model (forgot which), they leased City of Everett from the museum and flew it around. I envy those who saw it.  ;)

fs_addict wrote on May 3^rd, 2011 at 9:38pm:

701151 wrote on Apr 28th, 2011 at 1:25pm: Yes, Boeing gave a 717 designation to 707 models that were destined for Military uses, however this was little known, so they reused the name on the McDonnell Douglas MD-95. Yes, but I also thought they used the name on the 720 (for awhile).

the 720 was a faster longer range model of the 707. The Dodgers baseball team used one for many years.

747 is a very good machine.

701151 wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 2:36am:

fs_addict wrote on May 3rd, 2011 at 9:38pm: 701151 wrote on Apr 28th, 2011 at 1:25pm: Yes, Boeing gave a 717 designation to 707 models that were destined for Military uses, however this was little known, so they reused the name on the McDonnell Douglas MD-95. Yes, but I also thought they used the name on the 720 (for awhile). the 720 was a faster longer range model of the 707. The Dodgers baseball team used one for many years.

Actually, during the early promotion stage, the 720 was known as the 717, but was then renamed the 720. Then that title went to the military variations of the 707.

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At one point in the promotion stage to airlines it was known as the 717

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