Hi,
As much as I like CS707 work, something in the sound doesnt seem right. Specially inside the cockpit, accelerating full power, climbing, idle power, etc.

I flew 707s in my childhood many times a year but my ear is not precise to recall just from memory so I watched several 707 cockpit videos in youtube and compared to CS707. I invite anyone to do the same and check. The Captainsim sound seems more grave, bass tuned...while the real has more sharp whistling loud tunes. In cruise the main sound is wind. But on apporaches, climbing, take off taxiing I can spot big differences between the sim and real.

Im downloading a freeware sound set and will try it to see if it improves, or at least tweak and rename wav files changing those apropriate.

You could look at making some small changes to the sound.ini file found in the FSX\SimObjects\Airplanes\CS_B707-300\sound folder (back it up first, of course).

I'm very happy with the sound of the CS707-300 and am not really worried if it isn't exact. It's close enough for me. With all my extra payware add-on aircraft telling me to use different FSX sound settings for each of them, I ignore them and settle for a setting that I like across the range. Although I had edited some of the sound.ini files a long time ago, I can no longer be bothered, I would rather be flying them. ;)

Mark

Hi Mark, OK
To me part of the fun of the hobby is make it as close as possible to what I recall it was real.

This is my plan: Im buying the DVD from Skymaster 707. Then I will use my movie editor to extract the sounds, in mp3, and cut them in parts equel to the same time-length as the files in CS707-300. Then I will convert those files to wav.

Im not going to do it with every sound. For example, Im not touching gear sound, engine starters, flap, door, etc...but I will change wind, idle power, take-off power, thrust general, etc.

Wonder if it will give a better result? Im not sure how to modify sound.cfg to make the sound to a higher pitch, etc. I will only modify the wav files keeping the same sound.cfg and check the result. :)

I agree with Kapitan, the sounds are off for the engine. The JT3D had a distinctive whistling sound that lacks here in this addon, at high power and when going idle.

Wonder if anyone can help-guess here. I´ve identified the wavs that need to be tweaked but Im not sure in which part of the sim they become active:

I know all the wavs starting with "x" are exterior sounds. Im not touching those for now.

These are the ones need to be identified when they start playing:

707idle.wav     = Idle power (that´s easy)
707jet.wav      = ???
707rumble.wav = ???
707thrust.wav  = ???
707wind          = wind

any clues?

Studying the sound.cfg and using a tutorial from google on editing sound, my first discover is CS707 sound consists of 2 engines.

line 4 of sound.cfg
number_of_engines=2

Maybe CS team could explain why?

Anyway I also found out that the idle 4 engines runing consist of several wav files, including avionics, and some exterior sounds. I will have to mute each one of them to see later which needs tweaking in pitch or volume, or replaced altogether.

I made a video comparison between sound in CS707-300 FSX at 30,000 feet and a real 707 at the same altitiude and speed. Note the real sound is much sharper with strong wind noise. Throttles are middle way.

http://www.vimeo.com/19105463

As you can see, the difference is not minor...ITS BIG.
What is needed now is advice by CS support or other users on how to tweak the sound.cfg so the sound will resemble more like real. I dont think is just a matter of increasing wind from the Sound settings.
Taxi, idle, takeoff, approach will follow.
Thanks.

PS: Just discovered there is 707wind.wav file in the sound dir but its not used by captainsim (not mentioned in the sound.cfg), instead it uses the 4 standard wind sound that comes default with FSX in the main Fsx/Sound. Apparently they intended to put a more realistic sound, but gave up and released the addon with standard wind sound :(

Well, I think that this has to be fixed in an upcoming patch.
Otherwise, they shouldn't write things like "Authentic sound set" since that's not accurate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3wIlvLpvFg

Filmed very close to the captain's seat in terms of position and angle.

And a few other 707 cockpit take-off videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0R12VE2SOs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4CelCa7uMQ&feature=related

It's impossible to not hear the difference IMO.

Thanks a million Johan....

Did you hear that screaming and whistling ladies and gentlemen...?????

That's what's a 707 is about...!!!!!!!

Anything else is just wrong.


Listen to the whistling and roar from outside too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpb5cK0fww4&feature=related




Johan Nordqvist wrote on Jan 24^th, 2011 at 5:26pm:

Well, I think that this has to be fixed in an upcoming patch. Otherwise, they shouldn't write things like "Authentic sound set" since that's not accurate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3wIlvLpvFg Filmed very close to the captain's seat in terms of position and angle. And a few other 707 cockpit take-off videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0R12VE2SOs&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4CelCa7uMQ&feature=related It's impossible to not hear the difference IMO.

Yes, I have all of them, they will be the source to twaeak all the 707 sounds. Thanks to Brazil and Argentina, most of all the cockpit video sources available in youtube :)

G/day Kapitan,  This is probablt a bit late but i know what the thrust wav is, its that jet thrust noise that comes up as you increase the throttles, i have the 707 dvd and the sound is there but a lot lower pitch and not as loud, it was annoting me so i deleted it, i had done it in the previous version. Just wondering if you have a lap top the reason i ask is that i do and the other day i cupped my hand around the speakers (which are facing the ceiling) and noticed the sound is much more realistic. My main problem with the sound is not hearing the distintive turbine buzz when the engines are at high revolutions and when i cup my hands around the speakers , i can hear it What i cant understand is that i have the another company 747 / audio env extreme airliner edition that has 737, 747 engine sound that i can hear the turbine buzz without cupping mu hand around the speakers. I have the same problem with all the cs aircraft. Cap Sim have by far the best  aircraft out there, ive just got get some ear phones or find a sound pack for the 707 757 and 727. Do you know of anywhere ? take care    cya  Jeff

TSS make some great aftermarket soundpacks.
The GE 767 is their best imo although it doesn't have the panning function of FSX but I certainly don't miss that.

Hey...just downloaded the tss 707 hd sound package...its not to bad at all...I thought the CS sound package was good, but I really like the TSS package....anyone else have it? and what do you think?

For all who are looking for a very nice soundset: Check Avsim FSX Sounds for JT3D - there's a very nice and authentic soundset for the 707 there.

If you want to listen in, check the following video I made a while ago:

youtube.com/watch?v=IL2vwm313qM

I also bought the TSS sound package... and finally the 707 sounds like it should!  8-)

Indeed great sounds. Got them too.

I don't see a 707 sound package on the TSS products page....

Christopher Low wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 9:29am:

I don't see a 707 sound package on the TSS products page....

It's available at The FlightSim Store here: http://www.flightsimstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=2071&osCsid=6mrp80mgc8r5ip2mfaqt1hqiq7 (download product @ $13.99 USD).

Thanks, Mark.

No worries Christopher.

I'm not sure how you might be purchasing it, or if you already have. But if you are buying it using a credit card outside of Australia, you might be charged extra (my bank charges me 3% for overseas purchases), so you might prefer to buy it from here: http://www.fspilotshop.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_70_97&products_id=3594 (still $13.99 USD).

I'm still undecided on buying it. It's very cheap, so I am seriously thinking about it. ;)

Mark

Mark,

I would recommend you to buy it if you want the CS707 to sound like the real deal. With TSS, one almost always get the realism one is after.  :)

Johan Nordqvist wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 12:56am:

Mark, I would recommend you to buy it if you want the CS707 to sound like the real deal. With TSS, one almost always get the realism one is after.  :)

How is the reverse sound with the TSS..?! Any Youtube examples?
Unfortunately I find that realistic, powerful and thundering reverse sound is missing on most addons!  :-?

Markoz wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 2:54pm:

No worries Christopher. I'm not sure how you might be purchasing it, or if you already have. But if you are buying it using a credit card outside of Australia, you might be charged extra (my bank charges me 3% for overseas purchases), so you might prefer to buy it from here: http://www.fspilotshop.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_70_97&products_id=3594 (still $13.99 USD). I'm still undecided on buying it. It's very cheap, so I am seriously thinking about it. ;) Mark

Okay! got an Youtube TSS example from Marks link. Reverse better - however could still use an extra boost...

Quote:

Unfortunately I find that realistic, powerful and thundering reverse sound is missing on most addons!

I totally agree with that comment, and I find it baffling. Application of reverse thrust is one of the most impressive (and audible) features of airliner landings, so why is this almost never simulated properly? The CS707 reverse thrust sounds are nowhere near loud enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dpFLssaSXw
That loud?

Yeah, that sounds good  :)

windplayer wrote on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dpFLssaSXw That loud?

When I first started watching that video, I thought it was a Captain Sim 707! I was about to come back in here and ask what you did to make it louder! :-[

Mark

:) actually it is possible to edit soundfiles in some wave editor. You can make it louder and play with equalizer ;) reverse sounds for almost any aircraft stored in separate files, so its simple.

windplayer wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

:) actually it is possible to edit soundfiles in some wave editor. You can make it louder and play with equalizer ;) reverse sounds for almost any aircraft stored in separate files, so its simple.

Yes indeed! Me already did so yesterday! Can't think of any favored plane with sound files that I haven't manipulated!  ;)
However the base sound material must be of a reasonable quality, otherwise the job will be too hard.    

So after reading the recommendation from Johan Nordqvist on the TSS, I went mad and bought TSS sounds for both CS707 and the CS767 RR engines.
The TSS sounds turned out to be a huge step towards better quality - However STILL with a lack of proper thundering reverse sound from outside views! sounds as a vacuum cleaner! Whereas the reverse sound from inside the VC cockpit turned out to be okay.

Therefor I took the 707 the Reverser-DC.wav and mixed it into the weak Reverser-b.wav and saved all into a new Reverser-b.wav sound.
And bingo! - WOW!  :D

Mix amplify ratio:
60%   Reverser-b.wav
200% Reverser-DC.wav
(AVS Audio Editor)

Leave the cfg's alone! and remember to backup the original wav's!