Thanks Mark fellow aussie i see, ill try it but i have, in previos exp , had no success in downloading anything into fsx off the internet, thats why i tend to get the boxed version of any planes or software. I have no troubles at all ,up until Come to think of it ive got the another company 747 & there are sounds missing eg flaps, gear ext & retacting but the engine sounds are there which is the most important to me personally, thats why im determined to get the 727 right as it has a very distinct sound as you would know thanks jeff