707 Captains,

I may need your help on this.
I have to clarify if I'm experiencing some bugs or if I did not understand the manuals that come with this classic and well done aircraft.

Quite a few points and I would appreciate your input on them because if there are some bugs around, they should forwarded to the Captain Sim staff via ticketsystem to be cleared in 1.1  :)

Thanks for your help.

1. How do I get this Cabin Attendant Call Light (blue) off?
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7029/flightatt.th.jpg

I've tried all the "call" buttons around this light, it always stays on


2. Where is the Fire Warning Sound?
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5093/firewarning.th.jpg

I see all the lights but don't hear anything that sounds like an alarm


3. Page 11, Manual 3 is talking about "Radio Master Switches"
Where are those? (I even asked the always calling Flight Attendant, no answer)

Could that be the two ones at the circuit breaker panel? By the way: Nice idea from Captain Sim to have some CBs "out" when loading the aircraft.


4. EPR Bugs have to be set if going through the checklists.
Can't find them here. How and where can I set them?
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5610/eprbugs.th.jpg


5. Page 12, Manual 3 says
Probe Heater Switches - ON
Check HEAT ON lights illuminate.
Probe Heater Switches - OFF
Check HEAT ON lights extinguish.

I do have a light there but it never goes on no matter which switch positions I try
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5130/probeheatoff.th.jpg


6. Page 18, manual 3 explains
Check anti-skid switch guard closed.
Anti-Skid Test Switch - OUTBD & HOLD
Check inboard REL lights illuminate, and outboard REL lights remain extinguished.
Anti-Skid Test Switch - INBD & HOID
Check outboard REL lights illuminate, and inboard REL lights extinguish.
Anti-Skid Test Switch - RELEASE
Check all REL lights extinguished.

I can't get any lights on there, the windows are always blanked
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/482/antiskid.th.jpg


7. I have sufficient "start pressure" right from the start (maybe that's why it's called "start pressure" ;D ) without any external air connected or an engine running. The reading is always the same.
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/262/startpressure.th.jpg


8. Where is this switch to check e. g. the overhead lights or those in the cockpit without having to "press to test" everyone.
The 727 had such a switch, the 707 does not?


9. The checklist on page 6, Manual 3 says
Engine Start Control Selectors  BOTH

I can't find a "both" but a "FLT ST"
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6650/engstartcontrolselector.th.jpg


10. I always have one or two overheated AC Units
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5411/acunitoverheat.th.jpg

How do I get them to run within their limits?


11. Where is this "Pressurization Mode Switch" Page 27, Manual 3 is taking about?
Pressurization Mode Switch - TAKEOFF
Check outflow valves move toward CLOSE. Check cabin vertical speed indicator for selected
rate of descent. Check cabin altitude descends to 200 to I 250 feet below airport elevation.


12. Do the Glideslope Warning Flags always stay on?
The manual says "Covers glideslope scale if glideslope signal is invalid."
Tuning a normal VOR doesn't give you "invalid" GS signals, it gives you none. So the flag should go away when tuning normal VORs.
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3033/gswarningflag.th.jpg


13. The Voice Recorder Test doesn't have a sound or a reading on the gauge. At least the gauge should give a change when pressing "test" ,right?
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4339/voicerecorder.th.jpg


14. Do you get a reading on the "Cabin Altitude" gauge?
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2803/cabinalt.th.jpg


15. Can somebody explain the correct function of the "Altimeter" (the right one, not the "Electric Altimeter" on the left) to me?
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/9038/baroalt.th.jpg

1. 1000-Feet Pointer
The short handle points to thousands of feel.
Mine is showing 0 all the time. As you can see, I'm at approx 26.000ft and the needle isn't moving. Only the "100-Feet Pointer" does.

6. Runway Height
This pointer will indicate the runway elevation in feet above mean sea level (MSL) when pointers 1 and 2 are
set to zero.
is also a big question mark to me  :( It always shows "0" too when on the ground and with correct baro setting although I was at airports with higher runways than 0 feet.

CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

707 Captains, 1. How do I get this Cabin Attendant Call Light (blue) off? http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7029/flightatt.th.jpg I've tried all the "call" buttons around this light, it always stays on

This is on the list for the next update.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

2. Where is the Fire Warning Sound? http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5093/firewarning.th.jpg I see all the lights but don't hear anything that sounds like an alarm

Thats strange. Because the problem actually is, that once the bell is ringing you cant silence it.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

3. Page 11, Manual 3 is talking about "Radio Master Switches" Where are those? (I even asked the always calling Flight Attendant, no answer) Could that be the two ones at the circuit breaker panel? By the way: Nice idea from Captain Sim to have some CBs "out" when loading the aircraft.

Havn't found them either. There seems to be none. I use the FS-key-combo to turn the radio master on.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

4. EPR Bugs have to be set if going through the checklists. Can't find them here. How and where can I set them? http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5610/eprbugs.th.jpg

There are no bugs, dont know if the 707 had them. Will check that and open a ticket if needed.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

5. Page 12, Manual 3 says Probe Heater Switches - ON Check HEAT ON lights illuminate. Probe Heater Switches - OFF Check HEAT ON lights extinguish. I do have a light there but it never goes on no matter which switch positions I try http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5130/probeheatoff.th.jpg[/URL]

I think thats a overheat light only. But I could be wrong. I'll check it out and open a ticket if needed. Thanks for the input.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

6. Page 18, manual 3 explains Check anti-skid switch guard closed. Anti-Skid Test Switch - OUTBD & HOLD Check inboard REL lights illuminate, and outboard REL lights remain extinguished. Anti-Skid Test Switch - INBD & HOID Check outboard REL lights illuminate, and inboard REL lights extinguish. Anti-Skid Test Switch - RELEASE Check all REL lights extinguished. I can't get any lights on there, the windows are always blanked [url=http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/482/antiskid.th.jpg]http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/482/antiskid.th.jpg

This one is on the list for the next update.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

7. I have sufficient "start pressure" right from the start (maybe that's why it's called "start pressure" ;D ) without any external air connected or an engine running. The reading is always the same. http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/262/startpressure.th.jpg

This is the hydraulic pressure gauge.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

8. Where is this switch to check e. g. the overhead lights or those in the cockpit without having to "press to test" everyone. The 727 had such a switch, the 707 does not?

Dont think the 707 had one. Some were maybe retrofitted or specially ordered with such a switch.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

9. The checklist on page 6, Manual 3 says Engine Start Control Selectors  BOTH I can't find a "both" but a "FLT ST" http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6650/engstartcontrolselector.th.jpg

There is no "BOTH" in the 707. "FLT ST" ist flight-start and only is used to start an engine in-flight. Use either "IGN-1" or "IGN-2", and change between them, e.g. "IGN-1" on odd days and "IGN-2" on even days.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

10. I always have one or two overheated AC Units http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5411/acunitoverheat.th.jpg How do I get them to run within their limits?

Turn the PACKS OFF for engine start. If theyre left on they will overheat. This is even standard-procedure on todays aircraft.

CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

11. Where is this "Pressurization Mode Switch" Page 27, Manual 3 is taking about? Pressurization Mode Switch - TAKEOFF Check outflow valves move toward CLOSE. Check cabin vertical speed indicator for selected rate of descent. Check cabin altitude descends to 200 to I 250 feet below airport elevation.

There is none. Because the cabin pressurization system doesnt work at all, I've created a ticket and it has been forwarded to the dev-team.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

12. Do the Glideslope Warning Flags always stay on? The manual says "Covers glideslope scale if glideslope signal is invalid." Tuning a normal VOR doesn't give you "invalid" GS signals, it gives you none. So the flag should go away when tuning normal VORs. http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3033/gswarningflag.th.jpg

No, because no signal also is an invalid signal. Its written a bit complicated. The G/S only comes on if you have tuned in a localizer with a G/S signal.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

13. The Voice Recorder Test doesn't have a sound or a reading on the gauge. At least the gauge should give a change when pressing "test" ,right? http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4339/voicerecorder.th.jpg

I've also noticed this, the volume gauge should move fully to the right. I'll add a ticket for this.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

14. Do you get a reading on the "Cabin Altitude" gauge? http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2803/cabinalt.th.jpg

No, because as written above, the pressurization-system doesnt work at all.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:41am:

15. Can somebody explain the correct function of the "Altimeter" (the right one, not the "Electric Altimeter" on the left) to me? http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/9038/baroalt.th.jpg 1. 1000-Feet Pointer The short handle points to thousands of feel. Mine is showing 0 all the time. As you can see, I'm at approx 26.000ft and the needle isn't moving. Only the "100-Feet Pointer" does. 6. Runway Height This pointer will indicate the runway elevation in feet above mean sea level (MSL) when pointers 1 and 2 are set to zero. is also a big question mark to me  :( It always shows "0" too when on the ground and with correct baro setting although I was at airports with higher runways than 0 feet.

This is a bug, the 1000ft-pointer stopps at 20'000ft and is already on the list for the next update. As for the airport-elevation I've to read the manual, and check that.

Wow, thanks for the replies.

As you saw, some items are mentioned in the checklists and aren't there or named different.
"Radio Master Switches" - in the checklist
"EPR Bugs set" - in the checklist
Engine Start Control Selectors  "BOTH" - in the checklist

I wonder how I did those pack overheat to happen because, as you said, "packs off" is standard and I could swear ... however, maybe I was distracted or somethings. Thanks anyway.

I will recheck the fire alarm but I already did a PC restart and still had none.


Quote:

This is the hydraulic pressure gauge.

Correction on you or the manual concerning the start pressure gauge
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2438/engstartpressuregauge.th.jpg


Again, thumbsup on those fast and good replies. Great feeedback.

CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 7:29am:

Wow, thanks for the replies. As you saw, some items are mentioned in the checklists and aren't there or named different. "Radio Master Switches" - in the checklist "EPR Bugs set" - in the checklist Engine Start Control Selectors  "BOTH" - in the checklist

As already mentioned, the procedure guide has A LOT of faults. There is also written to set the altitude-alert, but the CS707 doesnt have one.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 7:29am:

I wonder how I did those pack overheat to happen because, as you said, "packs off" is standard and I could swear ... however, maybe I was distracted or somethings. Thanks anyway.

I actually had this problem too in the beginning. But I've changed something in my start-sequence, but dont know anymore what it was. Will check it and inform you if I can reproduce an overheat.


CoolP wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 7:29am:

Quote: This is the hydraulic pressure gauge. Correction on you or the manual concerning the start pressure gauge http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2438/engstartpressuregauge.th.jpg

Hmmm, will try to check that. But I still think its a hyd-press gauge because its on the hydraulics-panel.

Ok, I've found the gauge in my 707 manual. And according to its scale and position it has to be the rudder hydraulic pressure gauge. As you might know, the rudder is the only control surface in the 707 which moves by hydraulic pressure. The elevator and ailerons are moved by cables.

But there is also the "start air pressure indicator" in my manual! It has the same scaling (0-4), and its in the same place. BUT, it got two needles; L and R.

EDIT:
As for the EPR-bugs I've found some pictures. Some had them, some didnt:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Sabena/Boeing-707-329/1555432/L/
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(Omega-Air)/Boeing-707-3M1C/0736382/L/
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-France/Boeing-707-328B/0397633/L/

Again, they had them, if they were either retrofitted or ordered with them.

Thanks again for the fast answers :)

I totally believe you when talking about that pressure gauge, I just wanted to show where I got my information from.
As you said, the manuals containing the checklist might need some revision.

EPR bugs in the Captain Sim product would be nice, see that as a wish  :D

As for the amber light mentioned at point #5, I've found something in my manual. It says that this light should be illuminated if the heaters are de-energized (means if theyre OFF). I'll add a ticket for this.

And I tried to reproduce an overheat in the packs, but wasnt succesful even with all bleed air valves open and both packs on. But I did a low-pressure start, it might happen if a high-pressure start is done with packs on. I'll check that.