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boeing247 Senior Member Offline Pilots: Looking down on people since 1903 Posts: 1503 Southern CA	Re: FMC (incl LNAV, VNAV) Reply #105 - Jul 15^th, 2012, 6:20pm Captain Sim products use .rt files, not .rte
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Re: FMC (incl LNAV, VNAV)
Reply #106 - Jul 15^th, 2012, 8:02pm

OK let me ask a stupid question: How does one fly a raw needles ILS approach in this airplane? Here in the U.S. the FAA has been real hot on pilot workload and use of automation. Every jet I've flow (real ones not flight sim) has a way of reducing automation back to the basics.
I like flying flight sim using the ATC function. When you get close to an airport, ATC starts vectoring you to set up for an intercept to an ILS approach. How can I set up to do this in the 777? I've looked for a manual on the FMC but it is not out yet. Are you guys using knowledge from past CS FMC's?
Edit: Disregard, I figured it out. Really got to dig into that FMC!

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Reply #107 - Jul 16^th, 2012, 1:51am

Markoz,

Quote: "This first image is how the flight plan looks in Flight Sim Commander 9.2."

Thanks for reminding me about FlightSim Commander, I had tried it a couple of years ago but abandoned it for no real reason! Have now got v. 9.2 and am learning it.

However, I can't find how to save a FSC flight plan in the correct format (.RT or is it .RTE?) so that it can be imported into the FMC/CDU of the 777. FSC seems to save flight plans with the extension .PLN... Do you have to import them from FSX 's folder?

And, is there some way of deleting complete RTEs from the CDU? Pressing DEL and choosing the RTE doesn't work.

Mark

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Re: FMC (incl LNAV, VNAV)
Reply #108 - Jul 16^th, 2012, 4:26am

marknixon wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012, 1:51am:

Markoz,

Quote: "This first image is how the flight plan looks in Flight Sim Commander 9.2."

Thanks for reminding me about FlightSim Commander, I had tried it a couple of years ago but abandoned it for no real reason! Have now got v. 9.2 and am learning it.

However, I can't find how to save a FSC flight plan in the correct format (.RT or is it .RTE?) so that it can be imported into the FMC/CDU of the 777. FSC seems to save flight plans with the extension .PLN... Do you have to import them from FSX 's folder?

And, is there some way of deleting complete RTEs from the CDU? Pressing DEL and choosing the RTE doesn't work.

Mark

Save it as an Flight Simulator X flight plan and load it into the CDU on the ROUTE page by pressing SEND (LSK 3L) > FLTSIM FPLS (LSK 6R) >
Then scroll through the Flight Plans (PREV/NEXT PAGE) until you find the one you want.

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Reply #109 - Jul 16^th, 2012, 6:07am

braced wrote on Jul 15^th, 2012, 8:02pm:

OK let me ask a stupid question: How does one fly a raw needles ILS approach in this airplane? Here in the U.S. the FAA has been real hot on pilot workload and use of automation. Every jet I've flow (real ones not flight sim) has a way of reducing automation back to the basics.
I like flying flight sim using the ATC function. When you get close to an airport, ATC starts vectoring you to set up for an intercept to an ILS approach. How can I set up to do this in the 777? I've looked for a manual on the FMC but it is not out yet. Are you guys using knowledge from past CS FMC's?

The ILS display on the ND is not working yet so you cannot fly an ILS approach yourself. However, if you press the APP button and you have the ILS programmed on the NAV in the FMC, the plane will fly the ILS to the runway. Of course you must intercept the ILS properly, although the 777 engages the ILS from some very sharp angles.

All Boeing FMCs are basically the same. There are many tutorials on programming a FMC. The CS777 FMC can fly the plane itself from shortly after takeoff until touchdown (although flare is not yet implemented). Obviously it has to be carefully programmed including speeds and altittudes.

Ben

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marknixon Full Member Offline Posts: 71 Vancouver Island, Canada	Re: FMC (incl LNAV, VNAV) Reply #110 - Jul 16^th, 2012, 9:13am Thanks Markoz. That's what I realised I had to do, since FSCommander doesn't allow you to save a flight plan as a .RT file. Am I alone in finding that the EXECuted RTE doesn't appear in the ND? It has appeared a few times before but never consistently. Mark
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Reply #111 - Jul 16^th, 2012, 5:06pm

1-I open FSX with C172 as per Mark recommendation ,Engine running and all switches are on,
2- Reload 777 at your Airport.
3- Go to six hydraulic, switches put them on all open switches. That is all..
Now, 777 all nav lights on and ready for engine start. Don't forget the start APU first and put APU on BLEED AIR panel.

I use FsBuild. Generate Fplan and export to FSX fpl,/ Open FMC>Route>Send>FltsimFpls> Then select your Flplan. Only problem was not solved yet, when you select ILS RW for destination AP from FMC and activated it will not appear at Legs page.

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packers101 Senior Member Offline Posts: 295 Texas, USA	Re: FMC (incl LNAV, VNAV) Reply #112 - Jul 23^rd, 2012, 11:31pm When I try to type something into the FMC some of the keys like to randomly stay down until I select them again. Not a major issue, just a bit annoying Maybe the coffee spillled and made it sticky
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Re: FMC (incl LNAV, VNAV)
Reply #113 - Jul 24^th, 2012, 2:41am

packers101 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2012, 11:31pm:

When I try to type something into the FMC some of the keys like to randomly stay down until I select them again. Not a major issue, just a bit annoying Wink

Maybe the coffee spillled and made it sticky Cheesy

That happens if you remove your mouse from the key without lifting the mouse button--it happens in the 707 on the INS CDU.

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Reply #114 - Jul 24^th, 2012, 3:37am

packers101 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2012, 11:31pm:

When I try to type something into the FMC some of the keys like to randomly stay down until I select them again. Not a major issue, just a bit annoying Wink

Maybe the coffee spillled and made it sticky Cheesy

I'm not seeing this happen. UNLESS the CLR button is sticking and when I click on it once (briefly), it clears the whole line regardless of how many characters are entered.

The CLR button is the only one that does it though and it is annoying when I enter one wrong character in the waypoint, press CLR, and the whole entry is deleted/removed. Sad

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Reply #115 - Jul 24^th, 2012, 5:02pm

Markoz wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012, 3:37am:

I'm not seeing this happen. UNLESS the CLR button is sticking and when I click on it once (briefly), it clears the whole line regardless of how many characters are entered.

The CLR button is the only one that does it though and it is annoying when I enter one wrong character in the waypoint, press CLR, and the whole entry is deleted/removed. Sad

I'm getting this too. I just have to make sure that I type things in perfectly Wink

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Reply #116 - Jul 25^th, 2012, 5:04pm

Vnav does not work for me was going from VHHH to Egll and the vnav was supposed to take me up to FL410 but only went to FL270 and stoped was not able to keep speed neither the nose is at a very high pitch when holding a altitude something like 15-10 degrees nose up was usally holding 215 knots when supposed to be holding 250 and it could hold the speed because the auto throttle was at 50% power and holding altitude but the nose was up 15 degrees and it was not trying to climb Sad

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Weston Full Member Offline Posts: 143 KMCO	Re: FMC (incl LNAV, VNAV) Reply #117 - Jul 26^th, 2012, 3:28am The 777 does not like to climb and when cruising nose is at high pitch and does not go above 250 knots Please Help
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Reply #118 - Jul 26^th, 2012, 3:35am

Weston wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012, 5:04pm:

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Vnav does not work for me was going from VHHH to Egll and the vnav was supposed to take me up to FL410 but only went to FL270 and stoped was not able to keep speed neither the nose is at a very high pitch when holding a altitude something like 15-10 degrees nose up was usally holding 215 knots when supposed to be holding 250 and it could hold the speed because the auto throttle was at 50% power and holding altitude but the nose was up 15 degrees and it was not trying to climb Sad

How far into the flight were you when you wanted to reach FL410? I have not yet flown it at that altitude. I think the highest cruise altitude I have done in it was about FL370/FL380 and I only got to that altitude towards the end of a long haul (or on a very short haul flight).

I suggest you look at page 2/3 (ECON CRZ) on the VNAV pages and see what the OPT altitude is. Aim for the altitude it recommends (round it up/down to the nearest thousand feet).

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Re: FMC (incl LNAV, VNAV)
Reply #119 - Jul 27^th, 2012, 5:07am

Markoz wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012, 3:35am:

Weston wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012, 5:04pm:

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Vnav does not work for me was going from VHHH to Egll and the vnav was supposed to take me up to FL410 but only went to FL270 and stoped was not able to keep speed neither the nose is at a very high pitch when holding a altitude something like 15-10 degrees nose up was usally holding 215 knots when supposed to be holding 250 and it could hold the speed because the auto throttle was at 50% power and holding altitude but the nose was up 15 degrees and it was not trying to climb Sad

How far into the flight were you when you wanted to reach FL410? I have not yet flown it at that altitude. I think the highest cruise altitude I have done in it was about FL370/FL380 and I only got to that altitude towards the end of a long haul (or on a very short haul flight).

I suggest you look at page 2/3 (ECON CRZ) on the VNAV pages and see what the OPT altitude is. Aim for the altitude it recommends (round it up/down to the nearest thousand feet).

made no difference airplane not able to hold speed if I was not there the airplane would have stalled and the airplane nose is at a to high of a pitch to hold speed

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