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Matt2218
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Vertical Speed Indicator Fix
Dec 04th, 2009, 12:09am
 
Good evening all;

So, I've been flying the 727 for awhile and my landing approaches have been consistently "high".  I suspected a problem with the VSI because I still had problems getting down the glidepath, even with a descent rate of -1000FPM.

I installed a default Cessna-172 gauge to check against, and found they were different...the 727 gauge overstated the descent rate by -250 FPM.  This explained my high approaches.

To make sure, I then opened up the "L11_vsi" xml gauge (in cab file Captain_Sim.p721.L11) and placed a compass rose over the background bitmap.  I found that the angular measurements in the "nonlinearity table" were wrong by ~10 degrees or so.  I edited the gauge with 'notepad' so that the "Nonlinearity table" looked like this:

            <NonlinearityTable id="NonlinearityTable">
                   <NonlinearityEntry id="NonlinearityEntry">
                       <ExpressionResult>-6.000</ExpressionResult>
                                   <Degrees>10</Degrees>
                   </NonlinearityEntry>
                   <NonlinearityEntry id="NonlinearityEntry">
                       <ExpressionResult>-4.000</ExpressionResult>
                                   <Degrees>50</Degrees>
                   </NonlinearityEntry>
                   <NonlinearityEntry id="NonlinearityEntry">
                       <ExpressionResult>-2.000</ExpressionResult>
                                   <Degrees>100</Degrees>
                   </NonlinearityEntry>
                   <NonlinearityEntry id="NonlinearityEntry">
                       <ExpressionResult>-1.000</ExpressionResult>
                                   <Degrees>135</Degrees>
                   </NonlinearityEntry>
                   <NonlinearityEntry id="NonlinearityEntry">
                       <ExpressionResult>-0.500</ExpressionResult>
                                   <Degrees>155</Degrees>
                   </NonlinearityEntry>
                             <NonlinearityEntry id="NonlinearityEntry">
                       <ExpressionResult>0.000</ExpressionResult>
                                   <Degrees>180</Degrees>
                   </NonlinearityEntry>
                   <NonlinearityEntry id="NonlinearityEntry">
                       <ExpressionResult>0.500</ExpressionResult>
                                   <Degrees>205</Degrees>
                   </NonlinearityEntry>
                   <NonlinearityEntry id="NonlinearityEntry">
                       <ExpressionResult>1.000</ExpressionResult>
                                   <Degrees>225</Degrees>
                   </NonlinearityEntry>
                   <NonlinearityEntry id="NonlinearityEntry">
                       <ExpressionResult>2.000</ExpressionResult>
                                   <Degrees>260</Degrees>
                   </NonlinearityEntry>
                   <NonlinearityEntry id="NonlinearityEntry">
                       <ExpressionResult>4.000</ExpressionResult>
                                   <Degrees>310</Degrees>
                   </NonlinearityEntry>
                   <NonlinearityEntry id="NonlinearityEntry">
                       <ExpressionResult>6.000</ExpressionResult>
                                   <Degrees>350</Degrees>
                   </NonlinearityEntry>
            </NonlinearityTable>

I've submitted a ticket so hopefully this can make it into the next update.  CaptainSim, I can put the gauge in my MediaFire folder for you to download if you like.
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Re: Vertical Speed Indicator Fix
Reply #1 - Dec 4th, 2009, 12:42am
 
Awesome. I had a sneaking suspicion about that as well, seeing as a stable approach is usually -750fpm. I give you an internet high five!
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Reply #2 - Dec 4th, 2009, 1:21am
 
Launchbury wrote on Dec 4th, 2009, 12:42am:
Awesome. I had a sneaking suspicion about that as well, seeing as a stable approach is usually -750fpm. I give you an internet high five!


I'll take it!

Just like you I'd set up for a -750fpm descent and then wave to the runway as I flew past it. I'm just glad to know that the problem wasn't me Smiley
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Reply #3 - Dec 4th, 2009, 4:03am
 
Can I email you or something? Or maybe you can drop me a line at my YouTube account? I have some things I want to ask you.
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Reply #4 - Dec 4th, 2009, 8:45am
 
If you use Jeppessen approach plates it will give you the corect rate of descent for the approach categaory of your aircraft. Not every approach is -750FPM.
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Reply #5 - Dec 4th, 2009, 9:44am
 
JETPILOT wrote on Dec 4th, 2009, 8:45am:
If you use Jeppessen approach plates it will give you the corect rate of descent for the approach categaory of your aircraft. Not every approach is -750FPM.


Good point...and the descent rate needed to stay on even a 'standard' glidepath depends on your speed over ground.  When I am doing a visual approach I'll generally push the nose over and start down at -750fpm and then adjust from there based on the glideslope needle, PAPI or appearance of the runway.

In this case I kept starting down at -750fpm and immediately getting 4 white lights  Angry

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Reply #6 - Dec 4th, 2009, 10:21am
 
Thank you for your inquiry.
It has been processed and new KB# 4620 added to the Knowledge Base. Please check-in to Your Profile  and use Customer Support > Search KB > KB# 4620.
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Reply #7 - Dec 4th, 2009, 11:41am
 
JETPILOT wrote on Dec 4th, 2009, 8:45am:
If you use Jeppessen approach plates it will give you the corect rate of descent for the approach categaory of your aircraft. Not every approach is -750FPM.


JETPILOT -

One more thing...I bought this great addon called Jeppesen "SIMCHARTS 4.0" that has the approach plates for every airport in FSX, based on the same ~2005 data that was used to make FSX. It can even display your path over ground on the plate so you can see how well you flew the approach.

Unfortunately it is 'web based' and Jepp is ending it in April '10.  I'd pay for a CD of the charts but they aren't offering  :'(

CaptainSim -

Thanks...
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Reply #8 - Dec 4th, 2009, 6:39pm
 
Hi MAtt,

You can go to your local airpot and buy Jepp Express packs. They are charts for a given geographical area. They are not updateable so you don't buy a subscription.

The VASI/PAPI etc vertical approach lighting are not aligned with the glideslope. When flying an ILS your glideslope indicator is your primary source of vertical guidance. It's not uncommon to find approach lighting systems that do nto align with the glideslope. If they do then it's by chance.
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Reply #9 - Dec 4th, 2009, 7:33pm
 
JETPILOT wrote on Dec 4th, 2009, 6:39pm:
Hi MAtt,

You can go to your local airpot and buy Jepp Express packs. They are charts for a given geographical area. They are not updateable so you don't buy a subscription.

The VASI/PAPI etc vertical approach lighting are not aligned with the glideslope. When flying an ILS your glideslope indicator is your primary source of vertical guidance. It's not uncommon to find approach lighting systems that do nto align with the glideslope. If they do then it's by chance.


Good to know...thanks JETPILOT!
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Reply #10 - Dec 4th, 2009, 8:13pm
 
Yes, divergence between glideslope and the VASI/PAPI is something you can actually see in FS. Nowhere springs to mind immediately, but I think MYGF in the Bahamas has this problem. If you peg the needle for the glideslope and follow it to the threshold the PAPI will register you 3 white and 1 red.
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Reply #11 - Dec 21st, 2009, 2:27pm
 
Is there any way to get this update (email,...)?

I love everything about CS727 except... broken AP and VSI. So, the only way to fly the approach is by hand and with some luck that your VS is ok.

Imagine somebody would be selling cars with broken speedometer? Maybe you're driving 100 mph or maybe 200 mph. Try to explain that to the police  Wink
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