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Poll Question: My situation is: (THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE FAST SPOOL UP)

No GSX, engine startup issues - NO    
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No GSX, engine startup issues - YES    
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Got GSX, engine startup issues - NO    
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Got GSX, engine startup issues - YES    
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Jan 2nd, 2018 at 8:52am
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From CS: it should work as described in the Manual.
Let's make this the only topic to share your experience/findings on the engine start procedure.


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So when you first load the plane at a gate or stand the engines are basically running and you have to switch it off and run APUA to simulate plane on APU.

But then after push back engine wouldn't start anymore and I have to reload the aircraft so systems would be running again and I will be able to ignite engines.

Aside from clicking engine to engine number of choice and starter to gnd I also have the packs off and Apu bleed and engine bleeds to on. But nothing. Entire plane is quite even the Apu.

Any point I may be missing here or could it be a bug?

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Reply #1 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 12:01pm
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I'm  not having this problem (or not seen it yet in v1.0), so it might be a bug.
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 1:21pm
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I had the engine problem too and posted on the bug tracker board. I suggest you post this there as well Smiley
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 1:30pm
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Same problem!!
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 1:58pm
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+1 on the problem. Overall though, aircraft looks great.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 2:00pm
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I also had this problem, but make sure the isolation valve is on, and try the left engine first.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 2:10pm
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nextgenner wrote on Jan 2nd, 2018 at 2:00pm:
I also had this problem, but make sure the isolation valve is on, and try the left engine first.


SOP for most other Boeing aircraft is:

1. Start APU, activate bleeds
2. Set Isolation Valve to on
3. Start right engine
4. Set Isolation Valve to off
5. Start left engine

I'd guess the 757 isn't going to be any different! Smiley
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 1:10pm
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Alcides Segovia wrote on Jan 1st, 2018 at 11:20pm:
Hang and non responsive GND control on engine startup. Aircraft would not initiate the engine start in either engine regardless of APU air, external packs off, isolation valve was also on.

After countless attempts to start engines with no response the sim hanged and CTD.

SW


Had this too:

1. Sat for 10-15 minutes on turnaround (ground power mostly, with APU for last 5 mins) from default start.
2. Went to pushback with GSX (icing), can only start engines once you've pushed-back.
3. Once pushed-back I tried to crank the engines, the N2 jumps up to 4 (along with the oil pressure) before sinking to 0. No amount of fiddling with the bleeds got any life.
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 1:20pm
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I too had the engine start issue. Engines were started when i first loaded the 757. I made sure Ground power was connected (APU may have already been on as well), and shut down the engines using the normal cutoff procedure.
Made sure APU was started at gate, programmed FMC, ran preflight etc, made sure APU bleed was on, pressure looked good, pushed back with GSX, turned off packs, went to start engines and...... nothing. Kept messing with packs, bleeds etc, and could not for the life of me get the engines started. Sad
For reference, I was at KORD and it was quite cold.
I knew going in this was a beta, so hopefully we can work around this.  Smiley
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 1:54pm
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Had engine start issues. APU on, P/S, External packs were off and Isolation valve on but nothing. I uninstalled and reinstalled but didnt work.
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 3:54pm
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Had the same problem twice now..
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 4:04pm
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If someone could list exactly what he does from the moment the C&D flight loads that'd help a lot. As we suspect a user error rather than a bug.

Also a video at https://screencast-o-matic.com/ would be just great.
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 8:09pm
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I am also having the same problem. I am performing the correct procedure and I am still unable to start the engines at all
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 11:48pm
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I'm also having the same issue.  Following SOP as outlined above the engine cranks but I only get up to an N1 of 3.9 and an oil pressure of 40.
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 12:51am
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Hello, Cool

I've bought the 757 today, I've flew it this evening from KSFO to KSAN with no worries, but this night I wasn't able to fly because of the engine start bug, so good bye my CYYZ - KEWR... Angry

I follow the FCOM procedures of a very know american airline so this is not my fault I guess.

Thanks by advance. Wink
  
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Reply #15 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 11:39am
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I also had the bug this morning.

First I spawned it at the gate at KLAX set the Parking Break then connected Ground Power then proceeded to shut the aircraft down in to a cold and dark state with most if not all the system turned off. I then proceeded to get the aircraft ready for departure flowing the flows and checklists. Then I get to push back. I've had the APU running for about 10 mins at this point. So everything is normal. Then i try to start the engines. I turn the packs off , have the isolation valve open as well as APU bleed, L + R ENG. But nothing happens!

I get the same issue as everyone else the n2 rises to 4 then jut goes back to 0 and they wont start

I do have a video but I can't post it as I have not posted 10 times  Angry

Ill try get the video here as soon as!

Hope this helps with fixing this issue.

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Reply #16 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 3:20pm
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Do you guys use our cold-n-dark flight?
  
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Reply #17 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 6:51pm
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Engines started correctly for me.  Started scenario loaded at FSDreamTeam CYVR, engines started as per CS routine on initial load.  Started APU then shut both engines down using fuel cutoff L -> R.  Opened APU bleed valve, both packs on auto.  L pack raised to 20 Psi and followed procedure from manual.  No issues except for abrupt start of engines, does not seem realistic to me.

Ensure that you have default flight loaded and do not start scenario from a saved flight.  This may be causing the issue.

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Reply #18 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 8:11pm
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maxam wrote on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 6:51pm:
do not start scenario from a saved flight.  This may be causing the issue.


Do you mean our cold-n-dark flight? As we also suspect it's corrupted somehow.
  
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Reply #19 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 8:14pm
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No, from P3D scenario (main) screen.  I haven't got that far yet, must have misread your post.  I'll try later when I have a chance.
  

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Reply #20 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 10:34pm
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Thantheleon wrote on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 3:20pm:
Do you guys use our cold-n-dark flight?

No this was not using the cold and dark feature. Shutting the aircraft down my self at the gate when you spawn in as if you normally would.
  
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Reply #21 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 1:15am
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In Beta .400, I couldn't start the 757 after loading the Cold and Dark flight. I never got around to testing it in Beta .900. Seeing as I've just repaired my computer, P3Dv4 has not been reinstalled yet, so I haven't had the chance to try the Cold and Dark flight in v1.0.
  

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Reply #22 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 2:41am
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Not using the scenario, I still have the issue.
  
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Reply #23 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 3:32am
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Thantheleon wrote on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 8:11pm:
maxam wrote on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 6:51pm:
do not start scenario from a saved flight.  This may be causing the issue.


Do you mean our cold-n-dark flight? As we also suspect it's corrupted somehow.


Started cold-n-dark in Seattle using "757-200 Captain III Cold-n-Dark (KSEA)" scenario.  Followed normal flows to start APU:

BAT - On
STBY Power - Auto
APU GEN - On etc.

Turned on hydraulics, fuel pumps etc.

APU Bleed - On
Left Pack - Auto
Duct Pressure - ~20Psi
Starter - GND
N1 - Did not spool up at all

Switched Left Pack to Off and N1 did spool up

Left Engine started.  Right engine started without having to switch the pack to off

  

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Reply #24 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 10:50am
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I will test the cold and dark feature in a sec to see if that works. If it dose then I assume that the issue is coming from shutting that aircraft down yourself. What ill do is a turn around when I land to see if I can fire up the engines again.

I will report back my findings in the next 6 hours or so.

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Reply #25 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 2:44pm
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I figured this out.. I think...
It is ONLY when I push back with GSX that this happens. If I push back using the "Shift P" method it works just fines.
  
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Reply #27 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 4:09pm
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Search you tube for video:
[P3D V4.1] Captain Sim 757-200 III REVIEW & TUTORIAL (Startup, Engine Start, Takeoff, Autopilot)

There is a small bug with the engine start up procedure explained on this video but if you follow the sequence it will work OK.
  
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Reply #28 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 4:48pm
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Just flew from KLAX - JFK. Used the cold and dark state provided and had no issues staring the engines.

Not sure what the bug could be

Hope this helps to solve the problem.

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Reply #29 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 5:30pm
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William Burgess wrote on Jan 4th, 2018 at 4:48pm:
Just flew from KLAX - JFK. Used the cold and dark state provided and had no issues staring the engines.

Not sure what the bug could be

Hope this helps to solve the problem.

Will

I tried to follow the procedures and just couldn't get the engines to spool up, I followed the same procedure as in the video I mentioned in my previous post and all worked fine, but if I tried to start left engine first the right engine would not start.
  
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Reply #30 - Jan 5th, 2018 at 12:54pm
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I’ve been using the cold and dark scenario to load my flights and never had any issues......until today. I always follow the best practices for my procedures......The only thing i did differently today was slew the aircraft to a different gate before powering up the aircraft. Maybe this was the problem?  I also noticed the dials for the engine read outs (N1, N2,EGT) we’re missing the indicator needles. First time I’ve seen this but I’m sure it’s connected to the problem i experienced. Not sure if this helps.....but figured I’d drop my 2 cents.
  
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capnz wrote on Jan 5th, 2018 at 12:54pm:
I’ve been using the cold and dark scenario to load my flights and never had any issues......until today. I always follow the best practices for my procedures......The only thing i did differently today was slew the aircraft to a different gate before powering up the aircraft. Maybe this was the problem?  I also noticed the dials for the engine read outs (N1, N2,EGT) we’re missing the indicator needles. First time I’ve seen this but I’m sure it’s connected to the problem i experienced. Not sure if this helps.....but figured I’d drop my 2 cents.


Thanks!
Yes the slew alone can produce magic. But we'll check the startup, there's definitely smth odd.


  
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Reply #32 - Jan 5th, 2018 at 6:01pm
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Can confirm this slew issue. Spawn with engines running hit flee hit slew again and the engines shut down.
  


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Reply #33 - Jan 5th, 2018 at 6:33pm
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I've noticed as well to get the engines started you have to bring the sim icon panel up and fiddle on with the ED button
  

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Reply #34 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 2:25am
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So, this little bug of not being able to start the engines is starting to get annoying! Does this about every 2 out of 3 flights!! I've been following this post, looked at the youtube videos, followed the SOP/Manual, and played around with the pneumatic setting several different ways, and STILL not starting!

Instead of Slewing I hit Shft+P to push back a bit to get aligned properly at the gate, added external power, and then shut down the engines.  No Slew. Went through the whole process of setting up the flight and once again engines wouldn't start! Is GSX the culprit?
  

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Reply #35 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 2:44am
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I spent 2 hours starting and restarting engines and reloading aircraft today. I finally gave up
  
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Reply #36 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 2:46am
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havent had this issue.. just the annoying space x engine launch sequence lol
  
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I have been having the problem with no engine stat, also.  I have tried using the default CS livery, changing livery, placing it at an airport gate (the engines running on loading into the sim), going through an engine shut down, connecting either APU or GPU, setting packs to off, bypass APU and isolation valves open, powering up fuel pumps, electrics, hydraulics, pushing back and no engine start either using "Shift P" or GSX.

GSX has released an update which includes the CS 757 III yesterday.  I am now trying the default KSEA cold & dark state, loading it into the sim, then changing livery and aircraft location and saving that for a starting point.  Hope I can get the engines to start in this scenario.
  
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Reply #38 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 3:25pm
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It's about time to separate a possible engine startup 757 bug from GSX compatibility issue which we suspect to be the main reason of the "startup issue".

Just added a poll. Please vote.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE FAST SPOOL UP.
  
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Reply #39 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 7:48pm
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Don't use GSX but when using the pushback tool of IVAP (IVAO Software) engines also won't start.
Using the standard Flightsim way (SHIFT+P) startup works.
  
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According to the poll so far only 1 person with no GSX has a startup issue. So it looks more like GSX compatibility issue than the 757 bug.
  
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DJT07 wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Don't use GSX but when using the pushback tool of IVAP (IVAO Software) engines also won't start.
Using the standard Flightsim way (SHIFT+P) startup works.


Another third party software involved.
  
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Reply #42 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 3:21am
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I have gsx but even if i don't push the engines have issues.
  


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Reply #43 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:25pm
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In my case the engines work. But when i save my "own" c&d save and load it then i can´t start the engines. For now i always load the cs c&d at KSEA and jump to my airport.
  
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Reply #44 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 3:59pm
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Hi everyone,

I think I found the issue: nor the GPU or APU charge battery. After a couple of minutes, you still have some power on the airplane but then the message « no electric appears » on the ATC window, and you can’t Start engines even if the avionics and lights works flawlessly. I resolved the issue by activating « infinite battery » on FSUIPC. Can anyone confirm this?

Apart from that, the plane is very good for a « first shot » but clearly needs an update on VNAV and 2 or 3 other things.

Thank you

Amo
  
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Reply #45 - Jan 14th, 2018 at 8:19pm
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I think I might have found what causes it to not spool.

I am doing my 2nd leg from SKBO to ATL and it wasn't spooling. So I noticed the thrust temp selector was on G/A instead of TO 19+.

I clicked TO on the temp selector and it started spooling.
  

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Reply #46 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 3:20pm
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Thantheleon wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 12:10am:
According to the poll so far only 1 person with no GSX has a startup issue. So it looks more like GSX compatibility issue than the 757 bug.


Good news from the 757 facebook group after the 12JAN GSX update:
- It has also fixed the engine start issue, it was a GSX conflict!!!!!
- Is working fine since I updated GSX, no problems so far.
- It seems with the new GSX update the engine startup issue has been resolved



  
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Reply #47 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 4:26pm
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Just to confirm there's no bug in the engine startup procedure at CS end:
Right engine startup video

Every action matters. Double-check PACKs.
  
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Reply #48 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 5:10pm
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Thank you!  I will give it a try.

Cheers!
  
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Reply #49 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 8:04pm
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OK, I tried the method in the video and I do not get the engines to spool up at all.

1. Loaded the cold & dark scenario
2. Changed aircraft to N588UA
3. Moved aircraft to KSFO F85
4. Started battery, connected GPU
5. Aligned NAV
6. Set fuel in P3D (and it appears I cannot put "0" in the center tank), payload via ACE.
7. Programmed route
8. Started APU, made sure electrics running off APU. duct pressure as shown in video
9. Disconnected GPU.
10. Used GSX pushback, tried to start R engine, will not spool up.
Any ideas?  Duct pressures as shown in the video.
  
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Reply #50 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:00pm
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BuddyDog wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 8:04pm:
10. Used GSX pushback, tried to start R engine, will not spool up.

Is the 12JAN GSX update installed?
  
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Re: Starting engines
Reply #51 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 10:58pm
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Thantheleon wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:00pm:
BuddyDog wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 8:04pm:
10. Used GSX pushback, tried to start R engine, will not spool up.

Is the 12JAN GSX update installed?

Yes, sir it is.
Tried to post an image, but not enough posts.
  
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Re: Starting engines
Reply #52 - Yesterday at 12:24am
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BuddyDog wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 10:58pm:
Thantheleon wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:00pm:
BuddyDog wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 8:04pm:
10. Used GSX pushback, tried to start R engine, will not spool up.

Is the 12JAN GSX update installed?

Yes, sir it is.
Tried to post an image, but not enough posts.


Try to skip GSX pushback at all.
  
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Re: Starting engines
Reply #53 - Yesterday at 8:40pm
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Pushed back using GSX and the Song livery no problem!  Smiley
  
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