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Can two independent Civa's work?
Jul 29th, 2015 at 5:15am
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I'm tinkering with the stock Civa 1.51. Is it possible to install two independent CDUs'. I made a window for the units. Both align and load waypoints correctly. When engaging the auto-pilot AB and heading switches it shuts both down and erases the waypoints. Is this a limitation or can something be changed to make it work?
Here is my window:

[Window0X]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=360,328
window_size_ratio=1.000 
position=8
visible=0
ident=11041
type=special

gauge00=../civa/INS!Msu1,  0,70,180,68
gauge01=../civa/INS!Cdu1,  0,138,180,190
gauge02=../Civa/Ins!NavModeDual,  200,0,60,70
gauge03=../Civa/Ins!Msu2,  180,70,180,68
gauge04=../Civa/Ins!Cdu2,  180,138,180,190
gauge05=../Civa/Ins!UpdateFlags,  260,0,100,70
//dual ins bottom right

  

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Re: Can two independent Civa's work?
Reply #1 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 4:43pm
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Got it sorted. The autopilot A,B,AB switch has to be in the A or B position. Captain Sim moved it to AB for the new version 2.6 and I didn't catch it. (I read the post about it, just didn't register until now.)  So, two independent civa's can work.
This was just a test. Two cdu's pull the frame rates down. Sticking with one is probably the best choice. However, I would like to see the 3d cdu's integrated into the panel like the L-1011.

This is a single cdu version:

[Window0X]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=180,328
window_size_ratio=1.000 
position=8
visible=0
ident=11041
type=special

gauge00=../civa/INS!Cdu1,  0,138,180,190
gauge01=../civa/INS!Msu1,  0,70,180,68
gauge02=../civa/INS!NavModeSingle,  145,0,35,70
//ins bottom right

I have extra time this week to mess with stuff. Captain Sim's v2.6 ins works fine. I just wanted to understand the ins thing a little better. Again, this is just the stock v1.51.
  

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Re: Can two independent Civa's work?
Reply #2 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 6:19pm
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Thank you for your contribution Don Nelson, I'm going to install CIVA in my 727.

I would like to see 3d INS as well, as L1011.
  

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Re: Can two independent Civa's work?
Reply #3 - Aug 5th, 2015 at 12:13pm
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My wishes:
I had like the window to appear on the screen upper left corner. (This I can do myself.)
More important, at least for me, the possibility to call this window from the icone panel. Til now my attempts remain unsuccesfull.

  
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Re: Can two independent Civa's work?
Reply #4 - Aug 5th, 2015 at 3:06pm
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Using CIVA dual mode is my purpose.
Here are the mod entries in the panel cfg.

[Window01]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=36,168
position=7
visible=1
ident=11101
render_3d_window=0
window_size= 0.035, 0.292
window_pos= 0.000, 0.750
zorder=99
type=special

gauge00=Captain_Sim.p722.tools!icons,  0,0,36,168
gauge01=../Civa/Ins!CduPanelIconL,    18,0,18,22,11041 // comment out if just using a single cdu//
//you can use any different icon: MSU,CDU,Adeu

[Window11]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=360,328
window_size_ratio=1.000 
position=8
visible=0
ident=11041
window_size= 0.352, 0.427
window_pos= 0.008, 0.033
type=special

gauge00=../civa/INS!Msu1,  0,70,180,68
gauge01=../civa/INS!Cdu1,  0,138,180,190
gauge02=../Civa/Ins!NavModeDual,  200,0,60,70
gauge03=../Civa/Ins!Msu2,  180,70,180,68
gauge04=../Civa/Ins!Cdu2,  180,138,180,190
gauge05=../Civa/Ins!UpdateFlags,  260,0,100,70

What am I doing wrong? The window appears only when called from the  menu.
  
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Re: Can two independent Civa's work?
Reply #5 - Aug 6th, 2015 at 2:38pm
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Sorry to say that but none of your proposals is working.

Here is my contribution.
//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window01]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=36,190                             //168
window_size_ratio=1.000 
position=7
visible=1
ident=11101
render_3d_window=0
window_size= 0.035, 0.292
window_pos= 0.000,0.722                            //0.750
zorder=99
type=special

gauge00=Captain_Sim.p722.tools!icons,  0,0,36,168
gauge01=../Civa/Ins!MsuPanelIconL,     0,168,18,22,11041
gauge02=../Civa/Ins!CduPanelIconL,    18,168,18,22,11041

Both icones open the window but I didn't give the gauges a try yet. (too warm for my PC)
Later on I wish to create a new window window 11 calling the MSU window 12 calling the CDU.
W'ill see what happens.
  
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Re: Can two independent Civa's work?
Reply #6 - Aug 6th, 2015 at 3:38pm
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Here's a set-up for a single INS unit. Icons are on the top (Shift+2). ADEU included for loading AWC/ADC files.

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[Window Titles]
..
Window11=INS Control Display Unit
Window12=INS MSU + ADEU

[Window01]
size_mm=36,192
background_color=0,0,0
window_pos=0.000,0.75
type=special
visible=1
render_3d_window=0
zorder=99
ident=11101
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.tools!icons, 0,24,36,168
gauge01=../Civa/Ins!CduPanelIconL,    0,0,18,24,11040
gauge02=../Civa/Ins!MsuPanelIconL,    18,0,18,24,11041

[Window11]
size_mm=188,233
background_color=0,0,0
window_pos=0.300, 0.160
position=
visible=0
ident=11040
gauge00=../civa/INS!UpdateFlags, 	0, 0, 75, 45
gauge01=../civa/INS!NavModeSingle,    	75, 0, 22, 45
gauge02=../civa/ins!Cdu1,       	0,  45, 188, 188

[Window12]
size_mm=188,170
background_color=0,0,0
window_pos=0.300, 0.470
position=
visible=0
ident=11041
gauge00=../civa/INS!Msu1,      0,  0, 188, 65
gauge01=../civa/INS!Adeu1,     0, 66, 188, 105

[VCockpit01]
..
gauge39=../civa/INS!Config,      0, 0, 0, 0, CS727
 

  
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Re: Can two independent Civa's work?
Reply #7 - Aug 15th, 2015 at 3:29am
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Delco Carousel IV-A Civa: Version2 - a simple as it gets two window install. Supersedes all previous post.

Add:

[Window Titles]
Window0?=CIVA INS
Window0?=CIVA DUAL INS



Replace window01 with the modified window01 below to add icons: shift2

[Window01]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=36,190 //---------
window_pos= 0.000, 0.750
visible=1
render_3d_window=0
zorder=99
ident=11101
type=special

gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.tools!icons,  0,22,36,168
gauge01=../Civa/Ins!CduPanelIcon,     0,0,18,22,11040 //--------- single
gauge02=../Civa/Ins!MsuPanelIcon,    18,0,18,22,11041 //--------- dual



Add:

[Window0?] //single CDU
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=180,328
window_size_ratio=1.000 
position=8
visible=0
ident=11040 //11004
type=special

gauge00=../civa/INS!Cdu1,  0,138,180,190
gauge01=../civa/INS!Msu1,  0,70,180,68
gauge02=../civa/INS!NavModeSingle,  145,0,35,70

[Window0?] //Dual CDU
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=360,328
window_size_ratio=1.000 
position=8
visible=0
ident=11041
type=special

gauge00=../civa/INS!Msu1,  0,70,180,68
gauge01=../civa/INS!Cdu1,  0,138,180,190
gauge02=../Civa/Ins!NavModeDual,  300,0,60,70
gauge03=../Civa/Ins!Msu2,  180,70,180,68
gauge04=../Civa/Ins!Cdu2,  180,138,180,190

Add:

[Vcockpit01]
gauge36=../civa/INS!Config,  0,0,0,0,CS727


If you use the Delco Carousel IV-A Civa, you might want to comment out the original Window06 and rename the Civa gauge in the panel folder.

I'm not telling you to, i'm just say'in...


This is as simple as it gets. I have both cdu's on all of my 727's. - Read the Delco Carousel Doc's

  

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Re: Can two independent Civa's work?
Reply #8 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 9:18am
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I have installed the dual INSs as per instructions.
In the CS727 they function as expected except for one thing; they MISalign quite fast.

If I do not have a DME update set during departure they will reach status 3 within ~10 minutes flight and 6 the first half hour of flying.

Is that normal ?
Is there a setting for this in the CIVA config files ?

In the FSLabs Concorde that I fly with the triple CIVA INS they will reach status 5 after 2 hrs of flying without DME update.
  

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Re: Can two independent Civa's work?
Reply #9 - Aug 22nd, 2015 at 6:13pm
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Kyprianos,
Your observation of the Accuracy Index is correct. I found I had the same result as it went to 9 after thirty minutes of flight.
I added the update flags gauge, to check dme and both green flags appeared by pressing the test button. It didn't make a difference having it.

gauge05=../Civa/Ins!UpdateFlags,  130,0,100,70

I loaded both CDU's with duplicate waypoints. I went back and forth between Seattle Ksea and Bowerman Khqm. After thirty minutes I had to change waypoint, insert twice to get the correct heading established.
I noticed there was a 0.5NM difference between cdu1 and cdu2. I never had any action or malfunction codes.
I followed the Operations Manual Chapter 4: Normal Procedures.
I'll search over at simufly.com and look for an answer. Don
  

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Re: Can two independent Civa's work?
Reply #10 - Aug 22nd, 2015 at 7:28pm
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I think this is a step in the right direction;

Simufly.com Page 2. Dual DME updating
http://www.simufly.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1309800606

Operations Manual
See Chapter 5 Conditional Procedures, Section 3 DME Position Updating

I'm going to learn how to do this later tonight. See if you can get the API to go down.
  

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Re: Can two independent Civa's work?
Reply #11 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 2:38pm
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I do this as I should the proper way.
When DMEs update all is fine.
The problem is that the number of misalignment goes up fast when NOT updating.
  

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Re: Can two independent Civa's work?
Reply #12 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 10:00pm
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I did several flights around the Ksea area using low and high alt vor intersections. On average the Accuracy Index began to climb at five minutes and reach nine by forty minutes. At eight the heading starts to jump around. I'm guessing maybe this is the way the gauge is coded so that we learn the procedure to correct it. The learning curb is going up, thanks for pointing this out. Don
  

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Re: Can two independent Civa's work?
Reply #13 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 2:26am
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Updated the dme successfully. Green flag came on and the cdu reset itself to 1.  Cheesy
  

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Re: Can two independent Civa's work?
Reply #14 - Sep 15th, 2015 at 8:12am
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I appreciate the info. but as I said:

Kyprianos Biris wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 2:38pm:
When DMEs update all is fine.
The problem is that the number of misalignment goes up fast when NOT updating.


I still cannot find why it miss-aligns so quickly.
  

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