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Reply #1770 - Mar 27th, 2015 at 2:14pm
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Reply #1771 - Mar 29th, 2015 at 6:19pm
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See if you can identify these strange planes.

I'll supply the answer here soon...  Roll Eyes



This is a list (out of order) of the planes above.

Have fun!

Be-200
AL Aerodyne
Snecma C-450
Martin XB-51
NA XF-82
Libellula
Douglas XB-42
BV 141
Lockheed XFV
Stipa-Caproni


  

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Reply #1772 - Mar 30th, 2015 at 2:13am
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Got me stuffed mate...  Tongue

#6 is the twin mustang.

#10 looks to me like the Russian made acft that is being marketed as a firefighter, can't remember the manufacturer but IIRC it starts with a B?? EDIT: Aha is it the BV141?

Is #9 for real?

No Victa airtourer or Guppy.  Sad

My take...Who'd wanna be a test pilot.  Shocked
  

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Reply #1773 - Mar 30th, 2015 at 2:32am
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Leaving the list up makes it too easy to google.

That BV141 is an interesting machine, very much asymmetric. I found a better photo where it shows it only has a port tailplane/elevator.
Strangely it flew quite well from the reports.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blohm_%26_Voss_BV_141
  

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Reply #1774 - Mar 30th, 2015 at 5:35pm
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Answers to above quiz...  Wink

10 - Be-200
9 - AL Aerodyne
8 - Snecma C-450
7 - Martin XB-51
6 - NA XF-82
5 - Libellula
4 - Douglas XB-42
3 - BV 141
2 - Lockheed XFV
1 - Stipa-Caproni
  

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Reply #1775 - Apr 10th, 2015 at 7:29am
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Reply #1776 - Apr 10th, 2015 at 5:18pm
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Maybe it's called a rhinocyclops?  Grin

Over the years, I had a few pretty good whacks caused mostly by static discharge. It's pretty rare to get a bolt that hits the plane, but it does happen.

I can think of two times where it seems that a bolt hit my plane, but one is never sure since the static discharge can do a lot of damage all by itself.

One time I was flying into KSTL in a 727 during moderate to heavy rain with TRW's in the area. We were in the traffic pattern, around 3,000 feet, being vectored for approach when we got a pretty good pop with a bright flash and instant thunder. In a few seconds we saw the number three engine start to spin down as the EGT rose.
After landing, when we got to the gate, we told the mechanic that we shut down #3 for high EGT. What had happened - we guessed - was that the discharge and/or strike had disrupted the air into the compressor causing a stall which pretty much caused the compressor to disintegrate. I never heard if any of the compressor blades which we dumped around the countryside were ever found.



Electrons are stripped from the raindrop or ice crystal as the plane moves through the air. When the potential gets too high the plane discharges to the surrounding area much like a person moving across the carpet in the dry winter and grabbing the door knob - ZAP! Most fast planes have static discharge wicks which are bonded to the planes skin so as to help dissipate the static build-up. BTW, the CS planes have modeled these into the various jets. The idea is to provide a sharp point to allow the electron build-up to bleed off. Sometimes, especially in clouds made of ice crystals, the build-up is so fast that even all the wicks cannot handle the rapid increase in potential and the plane then discharges to the surrounding atmosphere.



If you have ever played with a static generator you can experience just how the electrons want to flow from a point. If you put your hand on the generator sphere and hold out your other hand at arms length with a fist, and then open one finger to point, you can feel the electrons flow off that finger. In fact if a lit candle is held near by, you can "blow" out the flame with the electron flow!  Shocked 

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Reply #1777 - Apr 11th, 2015 at 11:46am
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Carbon fibre rotor blades don't play well either.

Never been hit in the chopper, we prefer to play in the grass over clouds.  Tongue
There's usually a discharge rod to be found at the bottom of the tail.

I was in a 737-200 on approach to Kingsford Smith years ago and saw lightning hit the port wingtip. Couldn't see any damage from my seat.

My sister was on approach to Melbourne not long ago in an A330 and she said she saw what looked like a fireball race down an aisle from a hit.
That incident shook her up a bit.

Would a 757 nosecone be aluminium Lou?
Surprised it didn't open up and tear off, it was a long flight.
I guess the pilots couldn't see it?
  

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Reply #1778 - Apr 11th, 2015 at 4:19pm
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The nose radome is a composite with grounding straps. We had a loss of radome procedure at TWA but this Ice Air plane really didn't really loose very much. I would have been very reluctant to keep flying. What if a big chunk broke off at cruise speed and hit the tail or and engine?  Shocked

During an ocean crossing in a 707 back in the early 80's, we were at 370 flying through the tops of some cirrus when we rapidly built up a static charge that even in the daylight we could see a bright glow off the nose and static in the radios. There was a loud bang and a sphere of "plasma" about the size of a basketball appeared to come through the windshield and slowly move aft all the way back through the plane and vanish out the back of the plane. All the passengers siting on the isle saw it and were a bit taken by the display. None of us touched it and the whole thing was over in a few seconds.

http://www.unmuseum.org/notescurator/ball_lightning.htm   

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Reply #1779 - Apr 13th, 2015 at 5:11pm
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Reply #1780 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 5:21pm
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Haven't looked in here for quite a while, but I saw your story above, Lou, and it reminded me of my own experience back when -----

On a Sunday evening back in the 70s I was on a United 727 going to Las Vegas from Denver with a stop in Grand Junction. Had a window seat as usual. As we were climbing out of Grand Junction in driving rain there was a HUGE BANG and a bright flash of light that lit up the entire cabin! I felt electricity going down my right leg. I'll never forget the look on the face of the lady in front of me as she turned around and looked at me!! Stark terror! The whole airplane let out a collective groan and then dead silence till we got on the ground in LAS.

The captain came on a minute or so later with voice cracking and shaking badly---said something about static electricity! Then minutes from LAS he came back on---voice still shaky---said we are going to the end of runway after landing and drop the rear stairs. Said leave the airplane quickly and get away from it. Do not collect your personal belongings!! Said we have had a report of bomb on board!!

Apparently when we were taking off from GJT the crew got a call from UA operations and were advised that someone in Philadelphia (where the flt originated) called in a bomb threat. Then seconds later we got hit by the lightening and the flight crew thought the bomb had gone off! (I saw this on TV and read it in the LAS paper the next day)

I darn near took the train home! True story!

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Reply #1781 - May 28th, 2015 at 3:35pm
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A look at all the suppliers that make parts for the 787.

  

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Reply #1782 - May 29th, 2015 at 3:40pm
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LOU wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 3:35pm:
A look at all the suppliers that make parts for the 787.

Hmmm.

Just saw this about the 787.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os

It doesn't paint a rosy picture.
I've been wondering why Australian airlines aren't purchasing the 787 as the 767 was a star performer here.
Instead they are buying up A330's in droves. The A330 is an outlier in a mountain of otherwise Boeing aircraft.
They aren't buying all those A330's because of a cheap purchase price that's for sure.
I haven't heard anything myself.

Australian airlines have traditionally been pretty astute with aircraft purchases which is making me think something is up.
I wouldn't put much stock into the video on face value in isolation.

Two years ago I could fly out of Perth domestically on a choice of 747-400, 767-300, 737-800 or A330-200/300.
Now it is A330-200 only. QANTAS or Virgin.
(Range is what dictates aircraft size rather than loads out of Perth)
  

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Reply #1783 - May 30th, 2015 at 3:40am
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A Singapore Airlines A330 lost both engines during cruise at FL390.
Weather was reported as "bad" from various reports I've heard. What bad is I'm not sure. Singapore is very much tropical so thunderstorms are the norm around there.

Upon inspection the engines appeared normal and the aircraft returned to Singapore after a two hour delay.

Have you ever come across this before Lou?
All engines quitting at once.

FADEC controllers I presume would be the responsibility of engine manufacturers?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3098861/Singapore-Airlines...
  

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Reply #1784 - May 30th, 2015 at 8:53pm
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Cappy,

I had seen the Boeing video - which is several years old - and believe some if not most of the issues have been addressed. It's always BAD to see profits trump quality.

As for the A330....
I have to wonder if they had the ignition to flight start?
I know little about the "Bus" but have to guess they must have continuous ignition and a stronger flight start ignition.

I have flown through heavy rain many times, but always put the ignition on.

The report says they "plunged" in altitude loss, more like a slow glide until they got the engines started.

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