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Reply #1740 - Feb 10th, 2015 at 9:55am
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Lou, amazing photo! Hope you are having great time there...
  
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Reply #1741 - Feb 10th, 2015 at 4:31pm
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Well, Lou, you made it to a place I have wanted to go since my days at PAA in the 60s --- an over water, thatched roof hotel unit in Bora Bora. Back then  only the Hotel Bora Bora had those. Last time I looked there are a number of hotels with them. I did make it to Club Med Moorea on a comp travel agent trip in the 70s, but no over water units there.

I have been looking at HAL South Pacific Cruises both ow/rt for several years, but haven't been able to reconcile the cost and/or the amount of time sitting in economy class one way, or, God forbid, round trip! My wife has restless leg syndrome and I have restless butt syndrome!

I can envision you watching that amber sunset with an amber colored drink in hand! Salute!   Cool

Btw, thanks for the heads up on the National Geographic special. That should be worth watching!

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Reply #1742 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 5:30pm
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This was a trip on my bucket list.

It was worth every penny! $$$
We did a complete trip with Paul Gauguin Cruises. Simply over the top!

Small ship max passengers 318 we had about 210 pax.
More crew than passengers...the service was out of this world.
Everything included - yes all drinks too! Cool
The package was all through the cruise line. My travel agent did everything all I did was enjoy.
As for the flight, we left out of LAX - Time en-route 8:30 in an Air Bus 340, Air Tahiti Nui.
The seats in the old bus are small and tight, but we soon forgot the pain while sipping an umbrella drink in the bungalow!  Shocked
A total of six legs from PA R/T all flights on time.





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Reply #1743 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 4:41am
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Well, that's just obscene!!! Much more modern than the old Hotel Bora Bora units, which were more rustic. They had an interior trap door and ladder to the water, or a fish viewing window, or something like that, as I recall. Your unit has a lanai and ladder to the water. 30 days there would seem appropriate!

You DA Man!!
  
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Reply #1744 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 8:58pm
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Lou swims with da fishes!  Shocked



BTW - 87 degree water temp, oh yeah!
  

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Reply #1745 - Feb 15th, 2015 at 2:58am
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That looks like it was great fun Lou!

You should try SCUBA diving. It's awesome! I got my Open Water, and Advanced Open Water certificates back in 1985. I have dived with sharks, stingrays, seals and others fascinating sea creatures. I also did wreck diving. Night diving was lots of fun, but even better if you turned the u/w torch off (when diving at night under a full moon). Man that was so much fun. I wish I could still do it. Undecided
  

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Reply #1746 - Feb 15th, 2015 at 4:54am
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Oh, okay --- at first I thought Clown Fish.  Grin

Watched the 2hr History of the 747 on the Smithsonian Channel tonight, for the 2nd time. What a story!! That's a two large Manhattans show!

Were you nervous on that A-330 for 17hrs?

Now I'm looking at this cruise:

http://www.cruisesonly.com/sc.do?d=11/01/2015&d2=11/30/2015&i=858432&c=40&v=423&...
  
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Reply #1747 - Feb 15th, 2015 at 9:45am
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Scuba do Lou, lucky you! Spare a thought for us in colder climes  Sad On second thoughts don't bother, just enjoy.  Smiley Keep sending the postcards.
  

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Reply #1748 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 3:06am
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Last page I mentioned that "Hoot" Gibson died.
He was the Captain on the 727-100 that had a rudder hard-over near DTW and the plane went supersonic during the event.



Captain Gibson was an institution at TWA. Here is a link to a TV story about the flight. The portions of the video in the cockpit were shot in TWA's old 727 simulator which I taught in at JFK.

The Plane That Fell From The Sky (Full Version) TWA 841
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYHfrk6EVHU

A decade later I flew that very same plane while based in Berlin.
It was bent, and had all kinds of scab plates, but it still flew.
A few of the junior pilots who had been to the “Office” earlier in the evening,
decided to do a little Plein Air art work on the old wall.  Cool



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Reply #1749 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 4:35pm
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Watched the entire video, Lou. We'll never know for sure, eh? They couldn't define the cause conclusively, so they simply theorized that it was caused by the crew, given the CVR was erased and there had been talk among 727 pilots at the time about being able to increase the speed of the 727 by extending the slats.??? You have your own take on it? I know you said, earlier in this thread, when I asked you, a year or so ago if you knew him, that he got a bad rap. I feel his body language during the hearing, and after, was a just a tad suspicious.
  
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Reply #1750 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 7:31pm
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Bruce,

I believe it all boils down to who has the deepest pockets. The FAA and Boeing had the most to loose. It's easy to blame the pilots, and that is what they did!

The crew never pulled any CB’s. That was a story the FAA & Boeing put out to cover their asses on the rash of un-commanded rudder problems.
The one group that was tireless in getting to the truth was the TWA-ALPA accident guys. For months/years they poured over the data and trail of debris
from the plane’s path. They were able to show that the # 7 slat was one of the last things to depart the plane not the first as the Feds tried to sell.

Here they are at FL390 in a 727-100. The -100 was a bit better than the -200 at this altitude, but you still had to be light enough. The trouble started when the 2 axis autopilot sensed some yaw. It only has control of pitch and roll, so it starts feeding in aileron to counter the yaw caused by the bad rudder. When the control yoke is turned more than about 10 degrees the spoilers on the up aileron side begin to raise. Spoilers at FL390 is the last thing you need.

The plane starts to buffet and as more aileron is applied by the autopilot the more spoilers are added. Pretty soon the autopilot has full aileron to counter the yaw. The plane is buffeting like crazy and still yawing into a slip. Ol' Hoot sees the yoke full to one side and hits the disconnect button. The yoke snaps to level. Now the bad rudder gets the plane into a steep spiral and the nose falls down. The speed increases and so does the noise. It's so loud in the cockpit that no conversation is possible. As the plane spirals through supersonic and is heading to earth at an unbelievable speed the F/O points to the gear handle. Hoot shakes his head YES! Down goes the gear into supersonic air. 

The thing that saved Hoot and the rest of the people was the lowering of the gear. In doing so, the right main was extended so hard into supersonic air that the hydraulic line to the gear broke and system A pressure lost thus allowing the lower (bad) A system rudder to return to zero. Parts like gear doors and other pieces departed the plane as it zoomed across the countryside. When the A system hydraulic pressure went to zero something else - totally - unrelated to the first part of the event happened. The leading edge wing slats are moved by A system pressure. They are supposed to lock both up and down mechanically. On the 727's of that time almost every plane had a slat that would droop while on the ramp with A system pressure off. This 727 was a good example. The hydro-mechanical lock on the #7 slat was broken and when the gear went down into the fast air and system A pressure was lost, the slat got sucked out into the high speed air and departed the aircraft. That is why it was the last part in the trail of debris to be located not the first as the big money people tried to say.

It took several more crashes, the UAL crash in COS and the last one being the USAir 727 over PIT, before Boeing fixed the problem. Very quietly, every plane got a re-designed rudder actuator.

As an instructor in the old days doing training in the airplane, we had several problems with the rudders on the 727, but it took a bunch of crashes to force the fix.

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Reply #1751 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 9:17pm
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Okay, Lou, thanks for the additional info!! Everything you said makes good sense. Made me cringe again just thinking about it. I did not know that the accidents in COS and PIT were caused by the same problem. That adds a lot more credibility to the explanation. Back then, when I first heard about the event it was from a TWA Sales guy and he intimated with a wink that the cause was Hoot Gibson's hot dogging. Said he had a reputation and got his nickname for that sort of thing, or something to that effect.

I rode a lot of TW-UA-FL-WA-CO-DL-EA 727s in/out of DEN back then and sweated every flight since the UA SLC 727 crash in the mid 60s. I knew a guy that died on that one.

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Reply #1752 - Mar 7th, 2015 at 8:01pm
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We now made the topic sticky so it will not be lost again.
  
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Reply #1753 - Mar 8th, 2015 at 1:54am
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Thanks Tanya, now I'm a sticky!  Kiss



Hummm, maybe not that kind of sticky...  Shocked

Thanks also to Mark for doing the leg work.

  

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Reply #1754 - Mar 9th, 2015 at 12:52am
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Here is a good visual of the North Atlantic air traffic by NATS (National Air Traffic Services)



https://vimeo.com/98941796

They also have Europe and other sections.

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