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727 with double Civa INS - short how to
Oct 2nd, 2010 at 2:56pm
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I came across the modification to integrate a twin INS unit into the 727 with the idea of Cthulhus. He also worked out the changed VC textures to have some (non workable) Civa units to show up in the virtual cockpit.

If you want to use his mod completely or just his new INS textures for the cockpit, look here http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1277200750.

If you want to get the double INS solution like on the screenshots, read on. You can use his textures there too of course.

Here's what you'll get

(These screens show only the panels, no active navigation here but there are all working of course)

- simicon panel: two new buttons for quick access to CDU and MSU+ADEU
- backlit buttons all the way (can easily be changed, if you like)
- quick Civa access on the default Autopilot popup
- two CDUs, two MSUs, one ADEU reader (if you need two, tell me and I will change the setup), twin Nav switch, double update flags for visual verification of a DME update in progress
- quick open/close buttons on all panels


You won't receive any official support on this because this is a user made modification.


And here's how it's done

1. We are working on the panel.cfg files from all variants of your 727. You should backup them, just in case.
Note: We'll do some modifications on the 727-100 (which is the basepack) and later on the -200 or Freighters, if installed.
Please note that all other variants than -100 need some slightly changed numbers. Be aware of it to avoid confusion.


2. Use the free available Civa INS in version 1.51. All needed documents come with the installer. Reading them is recommended but not necessary for the installation in the 727 panels now.


3. Open the 727-100 panel.cfg with notepad and find [Window Titles]

We are going to add two more windows here by using some free window numbers.
Add these entries
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window07=INS Control Display Units
window08=INS MSU + ADEU 



Note: All Freighter variants need +1 numbers here because they have their "Loader" window additionally.


4. [Window00] (which is the simicon panel) needs two more gauges which are our quick access buttons

Add
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gauge02=../civa/INS!CduPanelIconB,   0,  538, 32, 32, 40
gauge03=../civa/INS!AdeuPanelIconB,  32,  538, 32, 32, 41 


after the other gauges present there.

Again: All Freighter variants need +1 numbers here, so watch those numbers again Wink


5. [Window03] (which is the AP popup) gets completely replaced by

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[Window03]
size_mm=480,106
window_pos= 0.300, 0.020
;position=2
Background_color=0,0,0
visible=0
ident=10005

gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap,     0, 0, 427, 106
gauge01=../civa/INS!CduPanelIconB,    427, 0, 20, 20, 40
gauge02=../civa/INS!AdeuPanelIconB,    427, 20, 20, 20, 41
gauge03=../civa/INS!NavModeDual,    427, 40, 50, 45 



for the 727-100 passenger

and

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[Window03]
size_mm=480,106
window_pos= 0.300, 0.020
;position=2
Background_color=0,0,0
visible=0
ident=10005

gauge00=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap,     0, 0, 427, 106
gauge01=../civa/INS!CduPanelIconB,    427, 0, 20, 20, 40
gauge02=../civa/INS!AdeuPanelIconB,    427, 20, 20, 20, 41
gauge03=../civa/INS!NavModeDual,    427, 40, 50, 45 



on all other variants (Freighters and the -200)


6. Go to the [VCockpit01] section and add
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gauge36=../civa/INS!Config,		0, 0, 0, 0, CS727 // this gauge initializes the Civa INS gauges, "CS727.Isd" is the name of the config file in the Civa folder 


after the last gauge (35)


7. We finally add two completely new windows to the panel.cfg which represent the Civa CDUs and the combined MSU+ADEU reader

Go to the end of the panel.cfg file and add these entries but watch the window numbers again on the freighter versions

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[Window07]
size_mm=420,221
background_color=0,0,0
window_pos=0.300, 0.160
position=0
visible=0
ident=40

gauge00=../civa/ins!Cdu1,       0,  0, 200, 158
gauge01=../civa/ins!Cdu2,     200,  0, 200, 158
gauge02=../civa/INS!UpdateFlags, 150, 160, 115, 63
gauge03=../civa/INS!CduPanelIconB,    400, 0, 20, 20, 40
gauge04=../civa/INS!AdeuPanelIconB,	400, 138, 20, 20, 41


[Window08]
size_mm=420,161
background_color=0,0,0
window_pos=0.300, 0.450
position=0
visible=0
ident=41

gauge00=../civa/INS!Msu1,       0,  0, 200, 57
gauge01=../civa/INS!Msu2,     200,  0, 200, 57
gauge02=../civa/INS!Adeu1,     0, 60, 250, 101
gauge03=../civa/INS!AdeuPanelIconB,    400, 0, 20, 20, 41 




8. Save the file and load FSX together with each 727 variant. The installation should look like on the screenshots on 727-100, -200 and all Freighers.
Remember the need for slightly changed numbers? Might be a culprit if something isn't working.

The INS drives the HDG bug now when commanded and of course operational.
So you have to enter the current postion first and align the units to be able to switch them into nav mode.


9. Optionally you can install those fine VC textures mentioned at the beginning of this post. I recommend this step. The link can be found above.

If you already had this mod running, the changes are minor.
I've just added the simicons buttons and repositioned the popups, so there's not need to drag them around anymore like in the previous version.

If you want to have those changes, just use your backup file and start from the scratch. This only takes minutes and minimizes possible errors in editing old files.


If any problems should arise, delete the CS727.Isd file in the Civa folder to allow a clean start of the gauges.
This file saves the last known config and might get corrupted from time to time. No big deal, no essential data lost here.


Sadly, I won't take any responsibility for harming your system or installation with these text changes, neither does Captain Sim of course.

Do this at your own risk and hopefully enjoy the now enhanced INS experience.



Feel free to comment here.
I'm no programmer, I'm just a guy that has read the Civa manuals and started working on the modification after getting the idea from Cthulhus.
  
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Re: 727 with double Civa INS - short how to
Reply #1 - Oct 7th, 2010 at 8:11pm
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Hi CoolP,

Thanks for all your work on this INS installation, it's a great addition to the 727.  I downloaded Cthulhus' CIVA-CS_B727-100.zip, installed it and it works great.  I then made the modifications to the -100 panel.cfg file that you have posted here and the 100s work perfectly

I then modified the -200 panel.cfg file using your posting for the -200 and freight versions.  The installation on the -200 seems to be fine in that all the components and icons appear but an unexpected problem appeared immediately after the install:  I can't keep the pilots' cockpit windows closed.  As soon as the aircraft boots up in VC both windows slide open.  If I "pull" on the window handles with the cursor the windows move forward slightly, then go back to full open.  If I use the Animation Panel for Pilots' Windows, same result.

My question is this:  the -100 CIVA installation included a modified panel.cfg file and 4 texture files + 3 night texture files which had to be placed in the 727-100 texture file, overwriting the existing files.  Should I have installed those same texture files into the -200 texture file?  Would those texture files somehow affect the cockpit window animations?  I modified the -200 panel.cfg file using your instructions posted in this thread and the graphics of the CIVA controls appear as advertised and seem to work, but I can't keep the windows closed, so I'm grounded.

I would greatly appreciate any help you can give me, and thanks in advance.

UPDATE:  I have since restored the -200 original panel and texture files and there is no problem with the windows, they remain closed.  I returned to the modified file and the windows opened.  Here is the panel file as I modified it, and the problem has to be in these lines because I didn't change anything else:

[Window Titles]
Window00=Simicons
Window01=Animations Control
Window02=Radio Stack
Window03=Autopilot
Window04=Crew Messenger
Window05=GPS
window06=INS Control Display Units
window07=INS MSU + ADEU

[VIEWS]
VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=MAIN_PANEL,RADIO_STACK_PANEL,60,115
VIEW_FORWARD_ZOOM=0.8
VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=1.0,0.0,0.0
VIEW_DOWN_WINDOWS=30,80,115
VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_WINDOWS=33,85,115
VIEW_DOWN_ZOOM=1.0
VIEW_DOWN_DIR=-30.0,0.0,30.0
VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.8
VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_DIR=0.0,0.0,120.0

[Window00]
file=bg.bmp
background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,768
window_size_ratio=1.00   
position=7
visible=1
ident=MAIN_PANEL
render_3d_window=0
window_size= 1.000, 1.000
window_pos= 0.000, 0.000
gauge00=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.sys200!main, 0,0, 2,2
gauge01=Captain_Sim.p721.ac200!icons, 0, 570, 64,198
gauge02=../civa/INS!CduPanelIconB,      0, 538,32, 32, 40
gauge03=../civa/INS!AdeuPanelIconB,    32,  538,  32,  32,  41

[Window01]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=367,469
position=0
visible=0
ident=10002
windowsize_ratio=1.00
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.ac200!ac200, 0,0, 367,469

[Window02]
size_mm=349,845
position=8
background_color=25,0,0
visible=0
windowsize_ratio=0.75
ident=RADIO_STACK_PANEL
gauge00=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P10!P10_001_vhf,  0,  0,349,190
gauge01=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P11!P11_001_vhf,  0,190,349,190
gauge02=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P13!P13_001_tcas, 0,380,349,155
gauge03=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P01!P01_001_adf,  0,535,349,155
gauge04=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P07!P07_001_adf,  0,690,349,155

[Window03]
size_mm=480,130
window_pos= 0.300, 0.020
position=2
Background_color=0,0,0
visible=0
ident=10005
gauge00=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap,     0, 0, 427, 106
gauge01=../civa/INS!Config,        0, 0, 0, 0, CS727
gauge02=../civa/INS!CduPanelIconB,    427, 0, 20, 20, 40
gauge03=../civa/INS!AdeuPanelIconB,    427, 20, 20, 20, 41
gauge04=../civa/INS!NavModeDual,    427, 40, 50, 45
//gauge05=Cessna!Nav_GPS_Annunciator,                   447,106,20,19
//gauge06=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch,                          427,106,20,19


[Window04]
background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=349,218
window_size_ratio=0.70   
position=7
visible=0
ident=10007
render_3d_window=0
gauge00=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P15!P15_bg, 0,0, 349,218

[Window05]
size_mm=456,378
window_size=0.5
position=8
background_color=0,0,0
visible=0
ident=GPS_PANEL
gauge00=fs9gps!gps_500,0,0

[Window06]
size_mm=420,221
background_color=0,0,0
window_pos=0.300, 0.160
position=0
visible=0
ident=40
gauge00=../civa/ins!Cdu1,       0,  0, 200, 158
gauge01=../civa/ins!Cdu2,     200,  0, 200, 158
gauge02=../civa/INS!UpdateFlags, 150, 160, 115, 63
gauge03=../civa/INS!CduPanelIconB,    400, 0, 20, 20, 40


[Window07]
size_mm=420,161
background_color=0,0,0
window_pos=0.300, 0.450
position=0
visible=0
ident=41
gauge00=../civa/INS!Msu1,       0,  0, 200, 57
gauge01=../civa/INS!Msu2,     200,  0, 200, 57
gauge02=../civa/INS!Adeu1,     0, 60, 250, 101
gauge03=../civa/INS!AdeuPanelIconB,    400, 0, 20, 20, 41

Please help!
  
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Re: 727 with double Civa INS - short how to
Reply #2 - Oct 8th, 2010 at 12:24am
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CoolP,

Disregard my earlier message, I found the problem causing the windows to open and corrected it.

Sorry to bother.
  
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Re: 727 with double Civa INS - short how to
Reply #3 - Oct 11th, 2010 at 8:58am
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Glad that you've found your problem.

The Civa INS installation shouldn't conflict with any animations around but reading your posted cfg fie, you already had some other modifications running (which don't influence these animations too). So might be that something got mixed up then.

Enjoy the INS driven flights now.  Smiley
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 29th, 2010 at 4:07pm
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Thank's for your time it works really nicely but i would add a second adeu reader so you can swap ins for long haul.
I also lower in dimension the two ADEU same dimension of Msu.

We have to be carefull or we get addicted  Wink

If capitainsim would integrate on VC there is an SDK  but he need to code a little bit.



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[Window08]
size_mm=420,138
background_color=0,0,0
window_pos=0.300, 0.450
position=0
visible=0
ident=41

gauge00=../civa/INS!Msu1,       0,  0, 200, 57
gauge01=../civa/INS!Msu2,     200,  0, 200, 57
gauge02=../civa/INS!Adeu1,     0, 60, 200, 81
gauge03=../civa/INS!Adeu2,     200,60, 200, 81
gauge04=../civa/INS!AdeuPanelIconB,    400, 0, 20, 20, 41
  
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Re: 727 with double Civa INS - short how to
Reply #5 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 3:53am
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We have to be carefull or we get addicted

That's a good one.  Smiley

Feel free to enhance and tune here, but please make sure to post some pictures too.
The guys interested in the Civa INS integration will surely appreciate this and then are able to chose their favorite variant.

The triple mixing is already active, even with two units.
Quote:
6th Digit: "Desired PI" or "Requested PI" (always visible)
Rightmost digit is the Desired Performance Index. It stays fixed at 5 during alignment.

In NAV Mode it can assume the following values:
4  Unit is operating in "aided inertial mode", meaning either TripleMix or DME Updating is currently active.


My units always show this "4" when in the nav mode, so you'll get the triple mixing mode and therefor accuracy.
But of course, feel free to add the third unit as a visible one.



Check the AdeuPanelIconB, in windows08 is not correct in yours.
Please help me on the error you've mentioned, I can't find one.  Embarrassed
The "41" value there is an identifier for the buttons to work. Nothing wrong there. The other button has identifier "40" for example.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 12:09pm
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Sorry never mind Coolp, but it works also withou this ID.
Do you fly with fsx on network like vatsim?
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 2:15am
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A small note:
I've slightly changed the installation by moving the "INS!Config" gauge to the VCockpit section.
This eliminates a small error source for people experiencing powerless INS gauges after startup.

Feel free to start from the scratch to get this change done correctly. It's not necessary if you already ran fine with the old installation.
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 2:27pm
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I found a tutorial in youtube for INS.
For people like me that after starting reading the post says: "what the hell is this!!!  Huh" it is extremely useful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF0-ZbvjrEw

It consists of 4 parts. In total 32 minutes.
  

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Reply #9 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 7:49am
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Good tip, javiercuellar.  Smiley

Edited:
For general questions on the Civa INS operation please use this thread. http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1285100008/0
  
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Reply #10 - Dec 11th, 2015 at 4:47pm
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Thank you very very much for this Manual! I had some problems with adding the panels in a correct way and this solved it!

I also added it to the L-1011 in this way, with success!

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Reply #11 - Oct 29th, 2016 at 5:06am
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Is it possible to add the new INS of the 727 v2.7 in the VC, and have it completely functional? Several years ago I had the INS described here but never was functional from the virtual cockpit, only in 2d  and maybe with the new one made it expressly for the 727 and the developers of Captainsim, maybe this is compatible for see it displaying and program it from the VC?
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 29th, 2016 at 6:21am
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Peloto wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 5:06am:
It´s possible to add the new INS of the 727 v2.7 in the VC, and have it completely functional? Several years ago I had the INS described here but never was functional from the virtual cockpit, only in 2d  and maybe with the new one made it expressly for the 727 and the developers of Captainsim, maybe this is compatible for see it displaying and program it from the VC?

It is not possible. That would have to be done with the model (cs727_XXX_interior.MDL) itself. Captain Sim did not do it for the 2.6, or 2.7, updates, so I guess we will have to wait for the next update for the 727, AND hope that it is done then.
  

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Reply #13 - Oct 29th, 2016 at 12:36pm
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Markoz wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 6:21am:
so I guess we will have to wait for the next update for the 727, AND hope that it is done then.


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Reply #14 - Oct 31st, 2016 at 4:00pm
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Hello. I have CS 727.
I would like to add CIVA in my VC of 727-200F (cargo model)

If possible, could you help me? Please send me panel.cfg. It just work in shift+7 and +8 panel, but not in VC (no civa totaly) Sad Sad Sad
Mike, Russia.
  
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