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Reply #315 - May 2nd, 2014 at 7:04pm
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Thank you for sharing this Mark.  I've never used Shift + 1 to
initialize the CIVA.  The doggon system works fantastic for me in the
CS B727 (when it's selfpowered Smiley  Only problem is that there seems to
be no transfer of power to it after engine start,  so the CIVA system
(CDU) battery light comes on and stays on after I release parking
brake and apply power for taxi.  Then of course after about 15 min
then red warning light and then after about 5 min the CIVA goes
dead.  Just seems like the aircraft power is not transferring to and
taking over the CIVA system when it should.
   For a workaround > do you know of a way to keep the CIVA
indefinitely powered up by it's own power supply (instead of switching to
aircraft elect system power)?
   Seems somewhere I read that we can delete a *.Isd file in the
CIVA folder and let it recreate itself.  I think I'll try that tonight as
well as default Cessna startup.  Also read that toggling the aircraft
elect syst battery switch two times is part of the solution to this
nasty problem so maybe I'll do that too Smiley
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Ken
  
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Reply #316 - May 3rd, 2014 at 2:54am
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Hi Ken.

So the CIVA INS works okay in the CS B707 for you, but not properly in the CS B727?
  

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Reply #317 - May 3rd, 2014 at 2:36pm
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Its very curious that this CIVA INS should work for some and not for others. Working in the 727 and not in the 707?

In the Dual gauge I attempted to install, I did see the dreaded battery light come on, even after all engine driven generators were stabilised and supplying the entire aircraft? I managed to get that to go out after numerous reset "presses".



I may even try a single install again, like you have Mark.  Perhaps that's the answer?



But at the end of the day the CIVA INS did not work as I saw in the video. Its like it was corrupted somehow?  Trying to update it with the VOR method caused CTD!

Frustrating, to say the least.

The 3d INS in the CS 707 worked as a "dummy" when I had the CIVA running. The Lat/Long current position was displayed. That was also frustrating.


Why can't CS just implement the INS as a full gauge?  It cant be too difficult for the programmer guys...? Can it? Shocked Huh Why model a very nice "Dummy" 3d gauge? Sad

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Reply #318 - May 3rd, 2014 at 7:24pm
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Hi Mark,
  I saw the "CIVA INS - The thread only please" in this forum so I entered my CIVA question here first.  I don't have the CS B707 (yet ~Smiley
Do you have the CIVA working properly in the 707?  I sure miss
the VMAX RFP B742.  The CIVA (triple redundant) worked
beautifully in it.
  I'm still working on a (CIVA) solution for the CS B727 that works
every time.  Maybe I'll get lucky.  When I do,  I'll post a CIVA
startup checklist in the CS B727 forum.
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Reply #319 - May 4th, 2014 at 1:51am
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highflight wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 2:36pm:
Its very curious that this CIVA INS should work for some and not for others. Working in the 727 and not in the 707?

In the Dual gauge I attempted to install, I did see the dreaded battery light come on, even after all engine driven generators were stabilised and supplying the entire aircraft? I managed to get that to go out after numerous reset "presses".



I may even try a single install again, like you have Mark.  Perhaps that's the answer?



But at the end of the day the CIVA INS did not work as I saw in the video. Its like it was corrupted somehow?  Trying to update it with the VOR method caused CTD!

Frustrating, to say the least.

The 3d INS in the CS 707 worked as a "dummy" when I had the CIVA running. The Lat/Long current position was displayed. That was also frustrating.


Why can't CS just implement the INS as a full gauge?  It cant be too difficult for the programmer guys...? Can it? Shocked Huh Why model a very nice "Dummy" 3d gauge? Sad
As far as I know, the reason that there is no 3D CIVA INS in the 707, is because Captain Sim were waiting for a response from the developers of the SimuFly Delco Carousel IV-A INS and never got one. I hope that now that they (Captain Sim) have made their own version for the L-1011, that this will find its way over to the 707.

Ken Boardman wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 7:24pm:
I saw the "CIVA INS - The thread only please" in this forum so I entered my CIVA question here first.  I don't have the CS B707 (yet ~Smiley
Do you have the CIVA working properly in the 707?  I sure miss
the VMAX RFP B742.  The CIVA (triple redundant) worked
beautifully in it.
 I'm still working on a (CIVA) solution for the CS B727 that works
every time.  Maybe I'll get lucky.  When I do,  I'll post a CIVA
startup checklist in the CS B727 forum.

I did think it was about the 727 when I first saw the post here, but I wasn't totally sure.

The INS in the 707 works perfectly fine for me. I originally had a few problems that I fixed by moving the line: gauge04=../civa/INS!Config, 0, 0, 0, 0, csx701 (from [Window00]) and pasting it in [VCockpit01] as gauge27=../civa/INS!Config, 0, 0, 0, 0, csx701. I never realised that pressing SHIFT+1 was the key to getting it to initialise, until it was pointed out to me somewhere in this thread. By then it didn't matter, because having in the [VCockpit.xx] section, it activated as soon as I loaded the 707.

I had a go at doing a flight in the 727 with a Dual INS added, but it performed strangely. The 727 wandered across the sky on its way to each waypoint, as if it had never captured the track properly. After about 30 minutes, I had successfully (and I use that term loosely) navigated 5 waypoints, and was heading for the 6th when I aborted the flight. On that final 100nm  leg, it was still wandering across the sky, not flying the track in a direct line. I never fully lost the battery power during the flight, although the BAT light was on for quite some time before I aborted. It made me think that the performance might have been caused by low battery power, but I doubt that is really why. It was erratic right from the start, long before the battery light came on. Undecided
  

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Reply #320 - May 4th, 2014 at 5:59am
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Hi Mark,
Thank you for this info regarding your success wit B707 and CIVA.
It sweetens the pot (no pun intended ~Wink
 I had IMO acceptable success with B727 and CIVA tonight using some
considerably unorthodox preparation and startup procedures.  A fun
(INS) fright from Guam (PGUM) to Kwajalein (PKWA). I have prepared
a somewhat detailed checklist,  and if I'm able to duplicate success
on two more frights I will submit it in 727 forum for use by those
eager to "take the plunge".  CDU Battery caution light stayed out,
Auto Pilot worked, with exception of an annoying but manageable
issue with the pitch channel.  INS connected with the Heading
Channel of the AP, and the aircraft followed the flight plan.  Even
was able to load two *.awc files via the trusty dusty ADEU.  
Best regards,
Ken

UPDATE:  I've had enough success with CS B727 and CIVA to
allow uploading my startup procedure.  If interested,  you can
find it in the "B727 Captain" General forum.
  
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Reply #321 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 12:35pm
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Hi all,

any help or ideas would be much appreciated:

I have installed the gauges fine (did the rename the panel cfg trick).

It starts up all right, but i have to wait like an hour for it to get to 65, where it hangs, then eventually i get an error message.

Is there a fast alaign, and should it take one whole real life hour to align??

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Reply #322 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 3:19pm
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Fast align:

If, in the meantime, 15 mins are passed, we should have on the CDUs the accuracy
performance indexes (API) at value 5 or less and all MSUs READY NAV lights on. If they
aren't yet, we can accelerate the alignement progress by the hidden FAST ALIGN button
below any MSU right upper screw (left mouse click on the screw).
  

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Reply #323 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 3:34pm
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Great thanks for that. I got it to work after making the change to the VC panel cfg (adding the CIVA CFG gauge) and restarting FSX.

For the life of me find was not helping in acrobat!

thanks again, much appreciated. Smiley
  
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Reply #324 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 5:30am
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Yeah. The docs/manuals are not easy to follow/understand (in my opinion), but over the years I have slowly managed to understand what  the important parts to me. Cheesy
  

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Reply #325 - Feb 15th, 2015 at 2:18pm
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Can't for the love of all things sacred get the CIVA to work. I've installed the Carousel Civa 1.51 in the FSX folder. Installed the 707 1.3 and edited the CIVA_panel.cfg file accordingly. It starts up and I enter my current position (all engines off, parking breaks on and battery on, clear weather no wind). After I turn the knob(s) to Align nothing happens, performance index is stuck at 95. Until I click the "fast positioning" screw, then the battery light lights up yellow and the performance index starts ticking down to 65 and the yellow bat light goes out. After that it gets stuck and stays at 65 forever and nothing happens. I used the CIVA_panel.cfg that was already in the 707 panel folder and did your cut and paste trick but it didn't help. What to do? I'm at complete loss here.

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Reply #326 - Feb 16th, 2015 at 3:42am
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Have you initialized the INS?

If you haven't moved the gauge04=../civa/INS!Config,         0,    0,  0, 0, csx701 from the [Window00] section to the [VCockpit01] section (gauge27=../civa/INS!Config,         0,    0,  0, 0, csx701), then you will need to press F10 to go to the Cockpit window of the 707 to initialize the INS.
  

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Reply #327 - Sep 9th, 2016 at 7:49pm
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Breaking out the old lady, and was going through this thread for CIVA installation.   Not sure it could be any more confusing.   But in the hope that it can become less confusing can we get a complete panel setup how it should be with everything there instead of piece mill lines.    Holy wow does that make it really confusing.   I've tried going backwards but that wasn't much help either.   

Just for clarification sake:  There is two panel.cfg in my panel folder so I should be updating the CIVA_Panel.cfg.

Then It will replace the panel.cfg as the main cfg in the PANEL folder?  For the CS_707-300, CS_707-300C, CS_E3       RIGHT?

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Reply #328 - Sep 10th, 2016 at 2:38am
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Don-P1126 wrote on Sep 9th, 2016 at 7:49pm:
Just for clarification sake:  There is two panel.cfg in my panel folder so I should be updating the CIVA_Panel.cfg.

Then It will replace the panel.cfg as the main cfg in the PANEL folder?  For the CS_707-300, CS_707-300C, CS_E3       RIGHT?
Yes. That is the one to modify. I suggest you do this first:

1. Rename the panel.cfg (I renamed mine panel-bak.cfg).
2. Highlight the CIVA_panel.cfg file, press CTRL+C (to copy it), then press CTRL+V (to paste a new copy there) - CIVA_panel - Copy.cfg will appear.
3. Rename the CIVA_panel - Copy.cfg to panel.cfg.

That way you will have a backup of the original panel.cfg, AND the CIVA_panel.cfg Wink

Note. You won't see the file extension (.cfg) unless you have unchecked the Folder options > View tab > Hide extensions for known file types
  

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Reply #329 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 5:06pm
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Hi all!

I've got a thing and I'm not sure if this is default behavior or something is wrong.

I've installed the Civa INS (1.51) and renamed CIVA_panel to panel.
If I start FSX and switch to 2D view (F10) I can open the pop-up CIVA panels and initialize everything.
However; my shift keys stops working. I can't open any windows with shift-1, shift-2, etc. If I try to press shift-z (to get my current position), the autopilot is activated (default behavior of the Z key).

Also, looking around through the cockpit while holding the spacebar and moving my mouse doesn't work either.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Derk
  
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