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727 2.3 Autopilot
Jan 29th, 2010 at 8:05pm
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I am just looking for some user feedback, not sure if this is a bug or user interface.

On the autopilot on the 727 prior to 2.3 I could click the autopilot Turn and Pitch Controller to increase the or decrease the pitch that the autopilot was holding.

However, it seems that post 2.3 upgrade that turn part of the Turn and Pitch Controller works fine but the pitch part is unresponsive.

I also noticed the Flight Director portion with its pitch command and mode selector and while it seems that I can drive the command bars up and down with the pitch command the autopilot ignores the pitch bar.

Am I missing something here? Even if I manually set a pitch via CWS and reengage elevator the autopilot seems to have a mind of its own.
  

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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #1 - Jan 29th, 2010 at 8:59pm
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I'm having the same problem as KenG:  I repeatedly hit the pitch knob to descend and there is no response.  Only if I trim the nose down significantly does the pitch control seem to engage, and then I can use the knob to descend.  I just installed 2.3 yesterday and this showed up in my first flight.
  
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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #2 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 5:50am
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I guess this is answered in the next question and the solution is here. http://www.captainsim.com/cgi-bin/kb.pl?qid=4897

I searched the KB using the terms pitch and autopilot and did not come across this solution.

I applied the patch and while the pitch knob now works it hunts allot as opposed to holding the pitch you set. i.e. I set 5.0 degrees pitch and the airplane hunts between 4.6 and 5.6 until settling in a minute or two latter on 5.2.
  

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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #3 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 6:11am
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Unfortunately, I have the same problem.. There is no way including K#4897 can correct the pitc/decent problem. It is horrible. I am keep waiting Captain Sim will come with a solution. Cry Cry

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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #4 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 11:36am
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I've found that when I turn on the elevator master switch, it takes control of pitch...but when I turn off the elevator master (leaving the aileron master on) it doesn't let go of it.  I move the yoke and nothing happens.

But here is the crazy part...if I then flip the altitude hold on and then off again, I can control pitch with the yoke normally.  I have to do the altitude hold "on/off" routine every time I turn the elevator master off (with aileron master on) in order to control pitch with the yoke.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 6th, 2010 at 6:45pm
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Me Too Sad 727-200 is un-flyable as the pitch control will not allow the a/c to climb.  Switch back to my 727-100 and no problem with the a/p.  I think cs wanted to make the a/p work so the elev/ail could work independently, but the fix just buggered the a/p altogether.  Please Fix!!!
  

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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #6 - Mar 1st, 2010 at 2:13pm
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Sorry to bud n here with this issue. I just installed v2.4 and so far I have found that the pitch is uncontrollable...It stall me very often.
I wen to the KB to see the solution posted above.
But I have no idea where to add it; I have 727-100 and I just jumped from v2.2 to 2.4

Can anyone assist?
  

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Reply #7 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 4:13pm
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Please check-in to Your Profile, click Product name link and use Customer Support > Search KB > KB# 4897 - it has been updated with new fix file.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 10:23pm
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Instruction #2 tells you where to place the file.

1. Please download the file. (Link removed).
2. Move the file to [Microsoft Flight Simulator X Root Folder]SimObjects\Airplanes\CS_B727-100\panel folder. Press 'Yes' when asked to replace the file.

Example: I would to paste it into this folder here:- E:\Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\CS_B727-100\panel

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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #9 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 5:31am
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Mark ,
If you downloaded the FIX ,will you please verify if problems solved and A/P  is working well.
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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #10 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 8:38am
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Sorry Sanal.

I don't need the fix because I'm using the 727 v2.4 and the AP works very well. I was just showing Bernardo where to put it.

The only problem I had with the AP was the ILS and G/S. They now work very good. But not until after I read the post by LOU (a former 727 pilot) in which he explained how the AUTO G/S and MANUAL G/S on the AP go about catching the ILS and G/S - HERE.

The information he has given us about flying the 727 make flying it really fun! It did for me (except for the loss of avionics power after 11 minutes). I highly recommend you reading his posts in that particular Topic -To New Members Lou and Delta Dog (same Topic, just the beginning of it).

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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #11 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 8:32pm
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Mark,
Thanks. I think CS did not finalized fix for member does not have FSX Acceleration.    Angry  .Therefore I end Up spent 38$ Amazon.Com purchased the FSX Acceleration.

Now I have 2.2 and A/P works. When I receive my FSX Acceleration will I dowload Acceleration first then 2.3 and 2.4??
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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #12 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 11:17pm
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asanal wrote on Mar 10th, 2010 at 8:32pm:
Mark,
Thanks. I think CS did not finalized fix for member does not have FSX Acceleration.    Angry  .Therefore I end Up spent 38$ Amazon.Com purchased the FSX Acceleration.

Now I have 2.2 and A/P works. When I receive my FSX Acceleration will I dowload Acceleration first then 2.3 and 2.4??
Sanal


I believe that Captain Sim said that they have a minor fix coming "soon" for the A/P problem for SP2 for FSX.

You wont be able to get 2.3 anymore because CS remove them and only leave the latest version available for download. So you will only get 2.4. Each version of the CS727 Base Pack can be installed on it's own without having to install a previous version. DONT DELETE OR GET RID OF YOUR csp721_2200.exe, csp722_2200.exe & csp723_2200.exe (if you have any of the Expansion Packs). KEEP THEM! Keep it/them just in case you are NOT happy with how 2.4 performs, and you can uninstall 2.4 and reinstall 2.2.

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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #13 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 7:53am
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asanal wrote on Mar 10th, 2010 at 8:32pm:
Mark,
Thanks. I think CS did not finalized fix for member does not have FSX Acceleration.


Please read our Reply #7 in this topic.
  
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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #14 - Feb 23rd, 2014 at 5:45pm
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I purchased the 727 a few days ago. And I am very disappointed because the airplane is not flyable due to auto pilot and pitch trim issues.

First, the stabilizer trim is unrealistically sensitive. It's a pain to fly manually.

Second, the auto pilot pitch knob has no effect, i.e. it does not control the pitch at all.  I have to do it with the stabilizer trim, but then again it's way to sensitive. It's a real pain.

Third, the altitude hold function is an even bigger pain. At some point it does not hold altitude anymore and the airplane begins pitching up and down like crazy.

I get the impression that I just wasted money...
  
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